Conservatives lost more than an election

This is how Chuck Baldwin, the Constitution Party’s presidential candidate this year, sees the election results:

For all intents and purposes, conservatism—as a national movement—is completely and thoroughly dead. Barack Obama did not destroy it, however. It was George W. Bush and John McCain who destroyed conservatism in America.


...the greatest tragedy of this deception is the way that Christian conservatives so thoroughly (and stupidly) swallowed the whole Bush/McCain neocon agenda.

14 Responses to “Conservatives lost more than an election”

  1. Maynard Says:

    There’s a winning strategy. The people you want to vote for you are stupid.

  2. DonaldRaymondLake Says:

    It taint the red states; tis the RED NECK states!

    As a Liberal Centrist reformist with lots of ‘conservate’ streaks, I could not agree with the CP candidate [NOT on the P2008 California ticket] more!

    Underlying this is the entire strategy of ‘religion in SECULAR political adminstration’! A political mine field if ever was!

  3. Cody Quirk Says:

    He said that they were deceived into voting for the wrong guy, that doesn’t make them stupid; even smart people can make mistakes.

    However, I do think the CP needs to stop reaching out to the Religious Right, which has been a BIG waste of time for the Party.

  4. Bill Lussenheide Says:

    I disagree Cody.

    It is obvious that the Republican Party believes that America has moved into a Post-Christian America, and the Republicans have been wanting to unshackle itself from the Religious Right for some time. This movement of the Republican Party will continue, and the religious right will find themselves disillusioned and looking for a new political home. Over the next 12 years, I believe you will see a huge migration of Evangelicals and other religious conservatives looking for a new home.

    The religious right still represent a lot of voters. Atheists or Agnostics who are looking for a new smaller government/free market home always have the Libertarian Party. The CP needs to maintain its identity as a party that understands that America and its foundations were laid upon the heritage of Judeo/Christian concepts.

  5. DonaldRaymondLake Says:

    Bill, Bill, Bill: Oh yuck, oh puke!

    That you think so little of my [extra political] spiritual life to contaminate our SECULAR public administration with your religious convictions!

    Shame on you!

  6. ETJB Says:

    Well, I really think that a lot of this talk about how the Republican Party or the conservative movement is somehow going to magically vanish after this election, or cease to be relevant, is just plain silly or perhaps ‘palin silly’.

    Barack Obama, mainly, won because of the horrible economy, his charming personality and the fact that a lot of fiscal conservative Republicans simply could not put up with Sarah Palin on the ticket.

    The fiscal conservatives and the Ron Paul anti-government Republicans both rebelled and when you cannot unify and discipline your base, you are probably not going to do well in the election.

    Since the 1980s the agreement within the GOP was that socially conservative Christians pretty much took over on social policy, where as the pro-business/fiscal conservatives took over on economic issues and each giving the other dirty looks.

    The Social Conservatives have threaten to bolt to a new or third party, if they do not get what they want, but few of them do and no one was really prepared for Ron Paul and how much Republicans and Independent swing voters really disliked Sarah Palin.

  7. Cody Quirk Says:


    The Religious Right had its chance over and over again, and it always sticks to the GOP, even if the GOP adopted a liberal platform, the Religious Right will still stay in the GOP, their pathetic excuse being ‘to try to change the platform next time around.’

    However, the conservatives that care about immigration and outsourcing are flocking to the CP more so then the Religious Right, the CP also does better in the immigration issue then it does on Abortion or moral values, which the GOP still out-trumps the CP among the RR voting base.

    The Religious Right also doesn’t care about the Constitution or States Rights, nor do they stand with us on foreign policy issues. They are NOT Constitutionalist in thought or action.

    Another thing Bill, back in 1999, we had Religious Right people flock to the CP in large numbers- guess what happened? They tried to turn it into a Theocratic Party and also tried kicking out Mormons and Catholics in the Party!
    I fought these people until they finally left after Tampa.

    Sorry, but I rather have Pat Buchanan Brigaders flock to us instead of the Religious Right; which seems to mirror that of the Pharisees then they do true Principled Patriots.

    And I stand behind these words.

  8. Cody Quirk Says:

    And we can still be inclusive and open to non-christian and non-religious people that agree with the CP goals;
    We are a political party- NOT A CHURCH!

  9. Craig M. Says:

    The CST can appeal to the masses by sticking with fiscal restraint, restoring the Constitution, and sealing the borders (but still allow a low number of LEGAL immigrants per year). This agenda allows people of various likes and dislikes to unite under a common-sense banner.

  10. Cody Quirk Says:

    Good point.

  11. ETJB Says:

    Well, the Constitution Party has always been a socially religious right political party. It used to be called the US Taxpayers Party and Howard Philips was the party’s nominee a couple of times.

    The Constitution Party sometimes makes the religious right seem downright liberal given that the CP talks about outlawing homosexuality, banning indecent speech, etc.

    Many people within the religious right might go for this sort of thing, but they tend to be more populist on economic issues and would probably not go for the unregulated capitalism of the CP.

    They [CP] are basically libertarians who do not believe in Church-State separation, multiculturalism or equal government treatment.

  12. Cody Quirk Says:

    The Constitution Party sometimes makes the religious right seem downright liberal given that the CP talks about outlawing homosexuality, banning indecent speech, etc.

    = In the CP plank, it does talk about how wrong homosexuality is, but it doesn’t want to outlaw it.
    However the CP will be wise enough to appeal to the Pro-Borders, Pro-Economic Protectionist crowd instead of the constitutionally ignorant RR people.

  13. disinter Says:

    ...the greatest tragedy of this deception is the way that Christian conservatives so thoroughly (and stupidly) swallowed the whole Bush/McCain neocon agenda.

    An even greater tragedy is the way that so-called “libertarians” so thoroughly (and stupidly) swallowed the whole Barf/Rot neocon agenda.

  14. Cody Quirk Says:

    No Comment.

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