Sonny Landham Explains: Arabs (Camel-Dung Shovelers) Are Terrorists for Raising Prices, We Should Kill Them

Libertarian Party of Kentucky candidate for US Senate explains his earlier statement:

“We should go and bomb those camel-dung shovelers back into the sand,” if they don’t lower their oil prices.

On the radio show “Weekly Filibuster,” Landham expands on his comment:

“I’m a pro-American all the way. The Arabs, the camel dung-shovelers, the camel jockeys, whichever you wanna call ‘em, are terrorists. And they are doing a terrorist act on this country with the high gas prices. They’re about to wreck this economy, not only our economy, but the world economy.”

When taking a call from an Arab-American woman, Landham said he didn’t care what she thought, his interest was in American citizens. The lady told him that she was an American citizen, and Landham said he didn’t believe her.

Landham also applauded socialist labor leaders Eugene Debs, Jimmy Hoffa, and John L. Lewis.

Independent Political Report has posted the transcript.

The important point, which very few commenters on the blogs seem to notice, is the fact that Landham believes that high prices are a reason to kill someone. He clearly rejects the libertarian notion of property rights. His racism is offensive, but the fact that he believes ethnicity and business practices are justitication for killing show how far from libertarianism he is.

89 Responses to “Sonny Landham Explains: Arabs (Camel-Dung Shovelers) Are Terrorists for Raising Prices, We Should Kill Them”

  1. John C. Jackson Says:

    Can we trade him to the CP for future considerations?

  2. Joe Murphy Says:

    Sonny was at a CP convention a few years back and made similiar comments. He must have decided he fits in more with the LP (just joking). He actually is a nice guy but his views are out there at times.

  3. MPM Says:

    Does he realize the irony in the fact that we complain about Middle Eastern countries wanting to hold onto THEIR PROPERTY (actually to Muslims anything under the seas or beneath the earth is the property of Allah, hence the governments are merely custodians of the oil and that’s why they believe in distributing the wealth from it to buy off/appease the people, but that’s another story) when we have oil here that we keep off limits? Wanting to bomb someone for their property is rather more like fascism than libertarianism. Maybe “pro-American all the way” in the National Socialist sense…

    If a Puerto Rican person had called in I bet he’d be dumb enough to doubt their U.S. citizenship. One of the key differences between the LP and other right-derived parties is we don’t despise non-white people.

  4. Chris Moore Says:

    The Bushcons start war after war in the Mideast, write Israel a blank check, print all the money they can spend and put the rest of the debt on the national credit card, thus driving the dollar into the ditch (which means it takes ever more of them to buy a barrel of oil) and this Kentucky fried genius says the high price of gas is all the Arabs’ fault? He should switch his affiliation to the Dumb Redneck Party of Kentucky.

  5. Richard Winger Says:

    Another irony is that I believe he is Native American by ancestry.

  6. Bruce Knight Says:

    Hmmm…. Isn’t “redneck” an ethnic (and defacto racial) slur? Oh that’s right, as MPM pointed out, the LP “doesn’t despise NON-White people.” Right, got it!

  7. DeeDeeT Says:

    Impeach Landham !! ... and Bush, and Cheney, and Rice, ... and Pelosi and Reid for not impeaching Bush and Cheney and Rice !!

  8. MPM Says:

    Actually now that I look at the transcript it’s unclear whether he doubted the Arab woman’s citizenship (doesn’t look like it):

    “Caller: Yes, but I’m also an American citizen, and I think that what you said is completely politically incorrect. And as I a realistic foreign policy-making man, you should know that.

    Sonny Landham: Uh, I don’t believe that-”

    Shortly after that call though he goes into a bunch of protectionist John Edwards-like rhetoric.

  9. Steven R Linnabary Says:

    And sadly for real Libertarians, if he gets a decent percentage in November, the reformist faction will be clamoring for more candidates just like him. A winning, or at least a showing to make people sit up and notice us (not neccessarily a good thing) is all they look at.

    A decent showing could make Landham a leading contender for POTUS in 2012!

    PEACE
    Steve

  10. Ayn R. Key Says:

    What a model Reform Caucus candidate. This is what they offer us, and we should embrace these Dondero-esque Reform Caucus types because … ?

  11. Citizens For A Better Veterans Home[s] Says:

    As a kkkolege Grabuate whom is one generation from Appelacia I can tell you that he is just playing to the local yokels. They like that kinda talk!

  12. Free Al. Says:

    The LPKY should take a hard look at revoking this guys candidacy. The original comment was bad enough, though I think it would fall under freedom of speech, but now he supports war because other nations decided what price to sell their oil at? The final paragraph of this post makes the point clearly enough. He is, of course, entitled to his own opinion, and the right to express it. He is NOT entitled to run under the the Libertarian banner with it. All members of the LP, and anyone who considers themselves a libertarian, ought to use their own freedom of speech to strongly condemn such remarks. I’ll do so right now.

    Mr. Landham, your remarks are offensive, and go against the very core of Libertarianism, which is the non initiation of force. Though I do not live in KY, I ask you to step down as the Libertarian candidate for Senate in that state, for the good of the Party at both the State and National level. You are an embarrassment to the Party. Please, express your opinions on your own time, and not on the campaign trail as our candidate.

  13. Eddie H. Nessul Says:

    NEWS FLASH

    Nutcase Mark Seidenberg of the California AIP and Sonny Landham are actually the same person!

  14. K D Tunstall Says:

    Why is it that the ‘radicals’ (i.e. those who hate everyone except themselves and will lie in order to feel superior) cannot intimate an idea without misstating facts?

    Neither Landham, nor Dondero, are members of the LRC.
    However, I am.
    However, since when will the fringe element of the LP ever allow FACTS to get in the way of their falsities?

    I do not believe that Dondero gets along with anyone except with the GOP fundie x-ian fascistas.
    He hates Ron Paul as well.

    However, regardless of what Landham said, I am surprised the LP of KY hasn’t taken him to the woodshed. Should they not have vetted this guy? I read the entire radio interview and he pretty much killed the LP for younger voters in KY.

  15. MPM Says:

    “Hmmm…. Isn’t “redneck” an ethnic (and defacto racial) slur? Oh that’s right, as MPM pointed out, the LP “doesn’t despise NON-White people.” Right, got it!”

    The difference is 99%+ of Arabs aren’t actually camel dung shovelers, whereas Sonny Landham is an actual redneck.

  16. K D Tunstall Says:

    Hey AynRKey…...when will you EVER decide to make a factual statement?

  17. Citizens For A Better Veterans Home[s] Says:

    Why bother with the facts when snarkie smears carries so much weight in main stream and marginal politics?

  18. K D Tunstall Says:

    I have tried to be ‘civil’ to the less civil wing of the LP.
    I grow tired of doing so.
    Ayn cannot make a statement, it would appear, without lying.
    It is constant.
    It is never ending.
    So I will be ‘politicall incorrect.’

    AynRKey….YOU ARE A LIAR.

  19. jason Says:

    Wait, he’s a fan of Debs? No, no no no no no no. Eugene Debs was a progressive socialist who believed in equality for all mankind, not some racist hate-monger like you, sir.

  20. Richard Winger Says:

    Various Libertarians are looking into whether it is possible to replace him with another nominee.

  21. Robert Capozzi Says:

    Offensive, over the line stuff.

  22. Citizens For A Better Veterans Home[s] Says:

    And from the hills of the
    Blue Ridge Mountains…..

    You Gave Us the Building Address
    What is Building Address?

    1740 WINCHESTER AVE
    409
    ASHLAND KY 41101-7644

  23. Alexander McLeod Says:

    Sonny Landham is the star of a patriotic documentary made by the Conservative Citizens’ Foundation.

    http://www.cofcc.org

  24. Jim Taggart Says:

    @ KD Tunstall

    Eric Dondero hates Ron Paul because the good Dr sacked him - another sign of Dr Paul’s good judgement.

    Mr Landham should resign as the LP candidate. He is more suited to the GOP.

  25. Cody Quirk Says:

    Can we trade him to the CP for future considerations?

    = Forget it! He’s your problem now!

    LOL!

  26. Citizens For A Better Veterans Home[s] Says:

    Cody, thx for an original text! Oh, how is California doing?

  27. John C. Jackson Says:

    I wasn’t implying anything bad about the CP when I said that- just joking. And I said the future considerations part because I doubt he has any trade value to the CP or anyone else. He is the type of player you just release outright.

  28. Eric Dondero Says:

    Jim Taggart says I “hate Ron Paul cause he sacked me.”

    That is a complete and utter lie.

    There is no basis for truth in that accusation.

    If anyone would like to know the past status of my employment with Congressman Ron Paul they need only pick up the phone and call Ron Paul’s Chief of Staff in DC, Tom Lizardo at 202-225-2831.

    Once again, that number is 202-225-2831.

    Tom will be glad to set the record straight about these false internet rumors.

  29. Elvis Johnson Says:

    Why you hillbillies got yer panties all in a bunch?

    The Green Party runs good decent hillbilly folk all the time.

    Lanham oughta join the Green Party if ya’ll don’t want him.

    He might get elected.

    He’s crazy like a fox. Controversy makes news. Rather than go the California Schwartzenegger route…He’s taking Jesse Ventura’s sensationalist Montana approach.

    Ya gotta go with wat ja got.;

    If you got good blocking and a strong full back, you run the ball right down the Middle. At least that’s what Green Party campaign managers teach.

    ..let’s see how this stuff works…in Kentucky..

    the neocon fake christians georgie junior Bush beat this theme like a drumb all the way to stealing two elections.

  30. Elvis Johnson Says:

    a fiddle..

    I meant Minnesota…

    you say potatoe, I say tomato…

    you spell it right, I spell it wrong.

  31. Eric Dondero Says:

    What in the bloody hell are you talking about Kevin Tunstall, saying that the only people I get along with are “Fundamentalists.”

    Are you nuts?

    I just blasted them three days ago on Libertarian Republican blog for their prudishness over the Prostitution legalization issue. To say that they’re allies of mine, is just insane.

    My allies in politics are those who recognize the threat America faces from Islamo-Fascism, i.e. folks who hand out at Little Green Footballs, Pam Geller’s Atlas Shrugs, and HotAir.com, those who are Goldwaterite libertarians all - around, “fiscally conservative/socially tolerant” yet strong on defense.

  32. Dick Cavett Says:

    KT Tunstall is in the LP?! I loved Eye to the Telescope. What did you think of Katharine McPhee’s cover of Black Horse and the Cherry Tree?

  33. MPM Says:

    “Islamo-Fascism”

    Yeah that would only aptly describe secular Ba’athists and our monarchist allies in the Arabian peninsula (plus Egypt)...since Osama/the fundamentalists completely hated Ba’athists, the term is a misnomer to say the least. Islamism and Fascism are generally mutually exclusive terms. I’m sure the moderate Islamist government of Turkey would take exception to being associated with Nazis, but hey, we’ve already tried to alienate most other Middle Eastern countries, why not them?

  34. Josh Says:

    This is an embarassment for my home state. At least he’ll take votes from McConnell. There is no one I despise in KY politics more than Mitch McConnell. Had he kept his opinions on arabs to himself, he would have probably helped Mitch more. Kind of strange if you think about it.

  35. Cody Quirk Says:

    I know, I thought this guy was alright and was dissappointed when he went with the LP, at first.

    Now I’m glad he didn’t go with the CPKY and they wouldn’t touch him with a 20 foot pole now.

  36. Cody Quirk Says:

    Oh, how is California doing?

    = Going to court.

  37. Eric Dondero Says:

    The term “Islamo-Fascism” fits precisely. The Grand Mufti met with Adolph Hitler on numerous occasions in the early 1940s, and was received by the Nazi Regime as an honored guest and allie in Berlin. At the time the Grand Mufti was pushing for Pan-Arabia, and like Hitler the mass exportation and/or extinction of the Jewish Race.

    Yes, there are Moderate Muslims, and they should be praised for their fight against the Fascist tendencies of the extremists within their Religion. I, for instance, support a group called “Muslims for America” which is a patriotic, libertarian association of Muslims who strongly oppose Islamo-Fascism.

    But the fact remains, that an alarming number of Muslims, particularly in the Arab World subscribe to Fascist views, and seek to destroy the United States.

  38. Rudi Dekkers Says:

    “Islamo-Fascism”

    That’s the neo-libertarian code word they use for “Islamo-camel-dung-shoveler” when they’re talking on respectable high-brow TV networks like FOX.

    Hopefully, in 2012 the LP will nominate Landham to be War Root’s V.P. Landham will help balance the ticket in the deep south where only 1 out of 20 Cletuses (or is it Cleti?) voted for Ron Paul in the Republican Primaries and where about 19 out of 20 Cleti are on the military dole.

    Oh yeah, Dondero: Did you know that Thomas Jefferson and many of the founders opposed the establishment of a professional government military? In a letter to Francis Hopkinson Jefferson said that the federal Bill of Rights must prohibit a “permanent military”. Nearly all of our state bills of rights prohibit standing armies. The federal constitution only allows armies to be raised in extreme emergencies, after Congress declares war, and only for a term of 2 years or less. The federal bill of rights says only a militia is a safe defense of a free state.

    So, no thank you for your serving yourself to my tax money to pay you for participating in the biggest ongoing illegal welfare scam of the the last 2 centuries. Let me know when you’ve learned the conservative principle of being responsible for your actions and I’ll tell you where you can send the restitution checks.

  39. Eric Dondero Says:

    Libertarian Republican response to the Sonny Landham controversy now up at LR Blog. (Click on name above.)

  40. Eric Dondero Says:

    Hey Rudi Dekkers, would you have been one of the little wussie non-servers in the early 1940s who cried against Americans using terms like “Kraut” and “Jap” to describe our enemies in WWII?

    I wonder what the brave US Sailors would have done to someone like you, immediately after Pearl Harbor where 2700 Americans were killed by a Jap bombing raid, in Hawaii or California Ports, if you had leafletted the Navy bases, asking them not to use “offensive terms” like “Japs” to describe our enemies?

    Let’s just say, you might not have wanted to take a stroll in some back alleys in Honolulu or San Diego frequented by Sailors of the United States Navy.

  41. Eric Dondero Says:

    Hmmn Dekkers, the Libertarian Party supports now, and has always supported the United States Military and a strong defense to protect us from foreign invaders.

    Are you sure you’re not an Anarchist? It’s the ‘A’-holes who are against the Military. Not Libertarians.

  42. Eric Dondero Says:

    Hey Dekkers, check your history. The Grand Mufti, who ruled over much of Pan-Arabia in the 1930s and ‘40s, was a chief allie and close friend of Adolph Hitler. In fact, the Mufti was with Hitler in his final months and weeks in Berlin, stood by his friend to almost the bitter end.

    Islamo-Fascism is absolutely an appropriate way to describe dictators like Saddam Hussein, Terrorists like Bin Laden and Zarcawi, and Achmadinajad, who want to destroy the Jewish race, and kill Americans. Actually, it might be even more correct to use the term “Islamo-Nazi.”

  43. Eric Dondero Says:

    Isn’t it terribly ironic, that according to Anti-War and Left-Libertarians it’s perfectly acceptable to make predjudiced remarks about Blacks who are Americans, (some of the past statements in the Ron Paul Newsletters) yet it’s not okay to make derogatory statements about foreigners?

  44. timothy west Says:

    all foreigners,blacks, whites, suck. I suck too. Anarchists suck. The LP sucks. The CP hates abortionists. Clark hates dollar bills. Clark is wowing the chicks with his value of a dollar speeches. Gets laid EVERY NIGHT.

    ok there ya go.

    USA! USA! USA! USA IS REALLY GAY! RAH RAH

  45. Travis Maddox Says:

    What a nut. The CP may not be getting as much media but at least our candidates are true Constitutionalist.

  46. Clark Says:

    ...rudy d abruptly disrobes the drooling ‘cleti’...love it!

    .. DUNDERO SKUNK-PISSES ON LIBERTARIANISM: ‘The Grand Mufti met with Adolph Hitler on numerous occasions in the early 1940s, and was received by the Nazi Regime as an honored guest and allie in Berlin. At the time the Grand Mufti was pushing for Pan-Arabia, and like Hitler the mass exportation and/or extinction of the Jewish Race. (END)

    ...’the grand mufti’..LOL at dunder0!...who apparently gets his ‘knowledge’ from fucking republicunt talk radio shit-heads

    DUNDERO, YOU FUCKING, STOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPID, WARMONGERING REPUBLICAN SHILL, LET’S TALK A LITTLE ABOUT YOUR FUCK-HEAD BUSH’S GRANDPAPPY..WHO, ALONG WITH MANY OTHER REPUBLICRAT BANK$TER FESTERING PECKERHEADS, FINANCED THE BIG, BAD, UBER OOGA-BOOGA BOOGIEMAN, HITLER!..(not only is dunder0 an expert ‘deal or no deal’ player..he’s also a winner of ‘the mike medved u.s. history’ award!) lol!

    WEST LODGES HIS CRANIUM DEEPER IN HIS ANAL SHPINCTER: “Clark hates dollar bills. Clark is wowing the chicks with his value of a dollar speeches. (END)

    ...let me again clarify..’clarkify’ if you will.. ;o)

    ...the best i can do, WEST, is attempt to make YOU, WEST, aware that YOU, WEST, are currently unaware of the nature, origin, etc. of even ‘one dollar’..despite, i fear, your whole miserable life being radically and negatively, etc. jerked around by people who control ‘the issuance’ etc. of said ‘dollars’..

    ..as i frequently ask other monetary numb fucks, WEST, ‘do you think some “good witche$ of the north,” some angel$, etc. are “running the $how” for your good, your family’s good, the good of your community, etc..WEST?

    ..and so why don’t you republicrat fuckheads ever even talk about this seemingly obviou$ mon$ter?...in fact, you goddamned fools know more about britney spear’s shaved head, alex baldwin’s cell phone rant to his daughter, saint john edward’s recent hotel nookie, etc. ad goddamned nauseam than you know about the very ‘dollars’ for which many of you may as well suck cock!..

    (btw, don’t republicrats have some strange fucking priorities? ..indeed!) ;o)

  47. Clark Says:

    ..correction…..west’s cranium is firmly lodged in his ‘sphincter’.. ;o)

  48. Spidey Says:

    Clark, my spidey sense tells me that you may well be currently unaware of the nature, origin, etc. of even ‘one dollar’. This, despite frequently working your ‘dick hand’ on the keyboard, going on and on about the ignorance of others.

    Clark, what do you believe is the nature, origin, etc. of even ‘one dollar’?

    You did get one thing right however…

    FUCK-HEAD BUSH’S GRANDPAPPY..WHO, ALONG WITH MANY OTHER REPUBLICRAT BANK$TER FESTERING PECKERHEADS, FINANCED THE BIG, BAD, UBER OOGA-BOOGA BOOGIEMAN, HITLER!.

    But, about that nature, origin, etc. of even ‘one dollar’ thing?

  49. GoNolzOhio Says:

    spidey,

    Over on the thread about the Barr campaign reaching the $500,000 mark in donations, I saw your acceptance of my wager on Barr gaining more votes than any Libertarian candidate for President in the party’s history. What do you want to wager? This will be the easiest bet I ever won.

  50. Spidey Says:

    What would you like to wager, GoNolzOhio?

  51. Clark Says:

    SPIDER SPINS: ‘Clark, what do you believe is the nature, origin, etc. of even ‘one dollar’? (END)

    ...what, i would guess, you and most/all republicrat monetary ignoramusses call ‘dollars’ originates, mostly, from ‘the flick of a banksters pen’..as these ‘banksters’ are ‘privileged’ to ‘create’ ‘our money,’ (bank-book entries, numbers, really counterfeit)..

    ..to try to make it simpler for you republicrat $tooooopid$, some people are allowed to create the numbers, symbols, etc. you call ‘money’ out of thin air and then ‘loan them’ into ‘existence’.. (great gig if you can get it, i guess)

    ..and to maybe over-simplify, spidey, i believe, over time this CLEARLY UNJUST, UNCONSTITUTIONAL, etc. privilege’ has concentrated tremendou$ power/control in relatively few hands..such that YOU, spidey, suck much more cock for ‘dollars’ than justice would require..

    ...furthermore, what you numb republicrat fucks, etc. assorted peckerheads galore, call ‘money’ is the result of man-made law..i.e. ‘its’ ‘essence/value’ is derived from the fact we are required by law to use ‘it’..increasingly lots of ‘it’..

    ...what i am trying to express, among many other things, is that because our ‘money’ is derived from ‘law’ then we all should be treated equally here..particularly as to ‘its’ ‘issuance..’ but we certainly are not treated equally here!

    ..of course, most of you ignorant republicreeps, bob bafbags, etcetercrats galore, are going, ‘WTF is CLARK TALKING ABOUT?’..because, among many other things, you dopes are worse than ignorant as to the fundamental nature, origin, etc. of the very money for which you su..well,..you know what you do for ‘it’.. ;o)

    ..but have a good day anyway!..

    (and i’m sure if ‘spidey’ disagrees he/she will merely COPY and paste what he/she disagrees with and explain why..) hahaha

  52. Sean Scallon Says:

    Sonny Landham has every right to say such things and run as Libertarian for the U.S. Senate. And if the Libertarian Party does not wish to have such a man, who has some fairly strange notions of what libertarianism and is more fascistic than anything, then they should find a candidate (Gatewood Galbriath anyone?) to oppose him in the primary. That’s what primaries are for. The LPKY needs to step up instead of complain about him.

    Oh Mr. Rittberg just can’t help himself today can he? Nobody I know of who supported Paul claimed such rhetoric as their own. What they objected to unfair attacks against Dr. Paul for words he didn’t write or believe in.

    Given your own prejudices Mr. Rittberg, I’m a little suprised you didn’t advise Dr. Paul to stand behind the newsletters. You certianly didn’t have a problem with them when you were a spokesperson for Paul’s 1996 campaign according to the Houston Chronicle, did you, hmmm?

    Go back to screwing whatever whore have your bed Mr. Rittberg. We don’t need you around here and would advise those posters to quit conjuring this demon up so as not to plague us any further.

  53. Spidey Says:

    Thanks Clark. I already knew that.

    Just to make it clear, Spidey does not suck cock. No cock in the spidey hole.

  54. Ed Ng Says:

    I wonder if anybody here will continue to support Sonny Landham after giving this a listen?

    http://www.blogtalkradio.com/theweeklyfilibuster/2008/07/26/Weekly-Filibuster-Special-Friday-edition-with-Sonny-Landham

  55. Dr.Gonzo Says:

    “And sadly for real Libertarians, if he gets a decent percentage in November, the reformist faction will be clamoring for more candidates just like him. A winning, or at least a showing to make people sit up and notice us (not neccessarily a good thing) is all they look at.

    A decent showing could make Landham a leading contender for POTUS in 2012!”

    False. I am a reformist or moderate and this guy is an embarassment to everybody. Even the Republicrats would be embarassed by this joke. He isn’t a Libertarian.

    I also like how you think only purists can be “real” Libertarians. Hopefully people like you quickly leave the party since you don’t realize people possess differing views on issues.

  56. Thomas M. Sipos Says:

    Elivs Johnson: “He’s crazy like a fox. Controversy makes news. ... He’s taking Jesse Ventura’s sensationalist Montana approach.”

    Denying the Holocaust, or saying that blacks and whites shouldn’t intermix, or saying that rape victims wanted it, would also “make news.”

    Are you suggesting these statements would be good campaign tactics?

    Eric Dumbdildo: “I wonder what the brave US Sailors would have done to someone like you … Let’s just say, you might not have wanted to take a stroll in some back alleys in Honolulu or San Diego frequented by Sailors of the United States Navy.”

    So your concept of “bravery” is a pack of thugs ganging up on one person for speaking freely?

    How else do you define “brave sailor”? Would a wife beater qualify?

    Get drunk on shore leave, form a gang and beat up some “hippie,” sleep with a hooker, then go home and slap the missus around some?

  57. Gene Trosper Says:

    Steven R Linnabary Says:
    July 25th, 2008 at 3:09 pm

    And sadly for real Libertarians, if he gets a decent percentage in November, the reformist faction will be clamoring for more candidates just like him. A winning, or at least a showing to make people sit up and notice us (not neccessarily a good thing) is all they look at.

    That has got to be one of the dumbest assertions I have read here in a while (and that’s saying a lot, considering the likes of disinter).

    So, does being a “real” libertarian entail making outrageous comments that have no basis in reality? If so, no wonder why the so-called “real” libertarians can’t organize well enough to get anything meaningful accomplished. They’re too busy being drama queens.

    That said, Landham should be drummed out of the LP for his racist and decidedly un-libertarian statements with regard to those of Middle eastern origin.

    Jesus H. Christ. The LP is a perpetual Jerry Springer episode.

  58. George Phillies Says:

    Sean Scallon Says: they should find a candidate…to oppose him in the primary.

    To the best of my recollection, they do not have a primary.

  59. Steve Rankin Says:

    This is the first time I’ve heard Jimmy Hoffa described as a socialist. I’m sure you have documentation to support this, or you wouldn’t have written it. Would appreciate a quote or two.

  60. Eric Dondero Says:

    Looks like the Kentucky LP has voted unananimously in an emergency ExComm meeting, to hold off on any actions against Sonny Landham.

  61. Ayn R. Key Says:

    Of course they did. You mustn’t sacrifice the big tent for piddly things like “does he espouse libertarian views.” Dondero is cheering and gloating.

  62. Steve Newton Says:

    According to Independent Political Report the decision was NOT unanimous, and the meeting involved only 8 of the 12 ExComm members.

  63. Rudi Dekkers Says:

    Eric Dumbdildo: “I wonder what the brave US Sailors would have done to someone like you … Let’s just say, you might not have wanted to take a stroll in some back alleys in Honolulu or San Diego frequented by Sailors of the United States Navy.”

    Thomas M.Sipos: So your concept of “bravery” is a pack of thugs ganging up on one person for speaking freely?

    That’s only what he says they did to people who “cried against Americans using terms like “Kraut” and “Jap” to describe our enemies in WWII”. As though I would do anything besides laugh at FOX-isms such as “radical-Islamic-terrorist-extremism”. But remember we’re dealing with someone with the mental capacity of a typical poster on freerepublic or littlegreenfootballs.

    But ask Dondildo to respond to founding fathers such as Thomas Jefferson who said that our federal bill of rights—like all of the state bills of rights—should protect us from a “permanent military”, and Dondildo and his Navy welfare queens will not threaten you, but merely assert that the modern Libertarian Party has apparently decided that a militia of the people—separate from the government—is no longer the only proper and safe defence of a free state and all the founding father’s such as Elbridge Gerry who said that standing armies were “the bane of liberty” and wrote these prohibitions into our bills of rights were Anarchists.

    So, as long as you steer clear of criticizing the childish names that they call their boogie-men, then I don’t think you have to worry about Dondildo threatening drunken violence against you.

  64. Dr.Gonzo Says:

    While no standing military is the preferred way to go, you must also remove yourself from the fantasy world you live in and come back to reality. With no standing army the US would be taken over in no time. A militia would do nothing against other countries who have standing armies.

    The way that standing military is used is the point we can debate over.

  65. FormerLPMember Says:

    If Sonny Landham is a libertarian and especially if he is truly an LP candidate, THEN HE IS MOST DEFINATLY A REFORMER, WETHER HE IS AN ACTIVE MEMBER OF THE LRC OR NOT!

    If it walks like a duck and sounds like a duck, it’s a duck.

  66. Eric Dondero Says:

    Perhaps Sonny is just a member of a new brand of Libertarian, called “Blue Collar Libertarians,” or the “Redneck Libertarian Caucus.”

    Or, the brand new term that’s being used by the media elite to describe such folks, “Dunkin’ Donut Libertarians” as opposed to “Latte’ Liberals.”

    Where is it written that all Libertarians have to be elitist Ivory Tower boring-ass academic types (think George Phillies)?

    Why can’t Libertarians reach out to Blue Collar working class folks?

    What’s so upsetting to many Elitist Libertarians I think, is not so much Sonny’s comments, is more that he represents a new bread of Libertarian. He’s a down-home sort of guy, from a very Middle America State. He speaks the language of Middle America.

    He didn’t go to Stanford, or Harvard. Doesn’t have a Ph.D. He doesn’t sip Martinis at Tuesday Night Cato Institute affairs in DC. And he probably prefers a little Hank, or Willie to the Boston Pops.

    And that my friends, frightens the living shit out of many Elitist-biased Libertarians. For if the Libertarian Party truly becomes a Party of the People, than what will all those Ivory Tower types, who’ve been able to have the tiny sandbox all to themselves, do?

  67. Donna Miller Says:

    Elvis Johnson Says:
    July 25th, 2008 at 9:06 pm

    “Why you hillbillies got yer panties all in a bunch?

    The Green Party runs good decent hillbilly folk all the time.

    Lanham oughta join the Green Party if ya’ll don’t want him.

    He might get elected.

    He’s crazy like a fox.”

    I have no problem with hillbillies joining the Green Party. I do have a problem with racists and warmongerers. My sympathies to the Libertarians, but we Greens don’t want Lanham. He’s not going to get elected, and he’s not crazy like a fox. He’s just plain nuts.

  68. Eric Dondero Says:

    Did the good citizens of Kentucky sign the Libertarian Party petitions for KY LP ballot access thinking Sonny Landham would be the US Senate candidate?

    If so, shouldn’t those Kentucky citizens who signed the petitions have a say so in whether Sonny should stay or go?

  69. Eric Dondero Says:

    Donna Miller, what you call “racist” others call simple Military talk, or Guy talk.

    We now live in a society where Political Correctness has gone mad. Witness the recent Don Imus incident; poor guy fired for saying a simple phrase “Nappy-headed.”

    Witness the View two weeks ago, where a black Hostess had the audacity to tell Elizabeth Hosslebeck (sp?), the very white and blonde Hostess on the panel, that she had no right to use the ‘N’ word, but it was perfectly fine for American Blacks to use it as a term of endearment.

    If we keep this up, just about every edgy word in the English languages will be banned.

    So much for comedy. So much for satire. So much for Guy Talk. All will be victims of the Political Correctness Tyrants.

  70. Eric Dondero Says:

    Hey, Ms. Miller, I’m not a Hillbilly, but I am a bit of a Southern boy. I do know that one of the central tenats of Southerness, particularly for Males, is bravado and machismo.

    Arabs attack our country, it’s perfectly acceptable for guys to respond with a “Fuck them Arab mother fuckers” attitude.

    Anything less is simply being a woos or a girlie man.

    Let’s not forget that many of these people you are defending attacked our country on September 11, 2001, killing 3000 of our fellow countrymen.

    How do you think any of those victims would feel today about all this political correctness garbage censoring what terms can be used to describe our country’s enemies?

  71. Clark Says:

    SPIDEY ASSERTS: “Thanks Clark. I already knew that. (END)

    ...well, spidey, you must be that ‘one in five thousand person’..i can tell you from long experience that most/all people are WORSE THAN butt-ignorant as to even the few basic thing$ i wrote about in my previous post..

    ..i’ve asked, rhetorically, MANY republicrats, bob barf/sonny landham/dumbdildo ‘libertarians,’ greens, etcetercrats galore, ONE ON ONE, questions such as “who creates and issues our money?”...

    ..to which nearly all you money dummies will respond something like, “The government” or ‘The Treasury prints our money’..that’s their whole response and the look in their eye reveals complete confidence/belief in their OBVIOUS butt-ignorant under$tanding here..i know..i was once ‘there’ too! (yes, even the not-so-minor deity that is CLARK!) ;o)

    ..do me a favor, spidey…ask people, “where do commercial banks get the money they loan to people?”..i bet the $tooooooooopid republicrats, dumbdildo “Libertarians,” “Greens,” “independents,” etcetercrats galore will answer something like, “They loan out the money that other people have deposited there”..

    ...and the $toooooooooopid republicrat fucks will be confident in their butt-ignorant response..

    ..(admit it…many of you republicrat $toooooooopids here think these responses are correct or ‘close enough’ etc.)

    ...i obtained an ‘economics degree’ from the state brain laundry many moons ago..i maintain excellent rapport with maybe the most-respected professor still teaching there..

    ..i can tell you he doesn’t ‘get it’..(although just recently he’s made some rather remarkable statements/observations)..the younger professors, who you might think might be more open-minded, appear as fucking hopeless ‘economic alchemists’..worse/more dogged than even most/all of you republicrat monetary ignoramusses..believe it or not..

    ...i used to wonder why ‘the microphone’ was NEVER in the hands of anyone who ‘get$ it’...and i still marvel that so many of my fellows have been horn$waggled by ‘economic experts’ who proclaim some honest knowledge about our ‘illion dollar’ economy, themselves not knowing so much as the origin, nature, etc. of even one stinking ‘dollar’!.. ooga fucking booga!, republicrats, shitt romney fans, faux-news Libertarians, republicunt talk radio heads, etc. assorted festering peckerheads galore!..

    ..but have a good day anyway!.. ;o)

  72. Adam Says:

    hey, MPM, have you ever read the census? Middle Eastern people are white. I do, however, know what you mean. It’s bigotry, and there is absolutely no reason for him to be running as a libertarian. I don’t know what to call him, but the word “asshole” comes to mind, honestly, what a douch. I highly doubt he’ll be elected, I don’t think the people of Kentucky are that stupid, or prejudice.

  73. Donna Miller Says:

    Eric Dondero Says:
    July 27th, 2008 at 7:27 am

    “Let’s not forget that many of these people you are defending attacked our country on September 11, 2001, killing 3000 of our fellow countrymen.

    How do you think any of those victims would feel today about all this political correctness garbage censoring what terms can be used to describe our country’s enemies?”

    We were attacked by a small group of Sunni fundamentalists, not “Arabs” in general. Whether the entire Arab world becomes the enemy is our choice.

    Landham was not talking about 9/11. He was arguing that high oil prices are an act of terrorism. Should we call Arabs “camel-dung shovelers” because market forces have caused oil prices to increase so much? How about some ethnic slurs for Chileans because copper prices are so high? What about South Africans because platinum prices are so high? Are the Chinese terrorists for demanding so many raw materials and pushing prices up?

    “When taking a call from an Arab-American woman, Landham said he didn’t care what she thought, his interest was in American citizens. The lady told him that she was an American citizen, and Landham said he didn’t believe her.”

    I think that Arab-Americans are less likely to be sympathetic or indifferent to terrorism if they are treated as real Americans instead of enemies. You want more moderate Muslims? Don’t do things to alienate and radicalize them.

  74. Joseph Marzullo Says:

    Aren’t candidates entitled to their own opinions? Look at McCain. He doesn’t even come close to the GOP platform but the GOP still backs him. Party unity, my friends.

  75. Rudi Dekkers Says:

    Dr.Gonzo: “you must also remove yourself from the fantasy world you live in and come back to reality. With no standing army the US would be taken over in no time.”

    Dr.Gonzo,

    Many of the founders understood the immutable principle that giving guns to government goons = “being taken over” (to use your phrase)

    Do I expect that a significant number of you and the military-mind controlled public will ever rid yourselves of the fantasy that you were not “taken over” (as you call it) long ago? No, that would indeed be fantasy.

    But its fun to poke fun at the most infantile of y’all—shakin’ in your boots that the Military Neo-con Complex will be “taken over” and things would change radically at your Miitary Neo-con jobs as though y’all would have to speak Jap or Kraut if you didn’t lick the military’s boots and thank them for “serving” you up the ass.

    And why does it always have to be psycho-sexual violence? Have you seen this montage of self-video taped war crimes including the clips where your military servants taunt the newly “liberated” Iraqis and tell them they want to “giz on their faces” as they hand them water and candy?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tq5_vG3cYGM

    It should make you wonder that maybe standing armies are indeed “the bane of liberty.” Did you ever reflect that maybe the prohibitions against standing government armies in our bills of rights are not merely some nice ceremonial idea meant only for a perfect world, but represent an immutable principle that when violated must necessarily result in the banishment of liberty?

  76. Thomas M. Sipos Says:

    Landham was not talking about 9/11. He was arguing that high oil prices are an act of terrorism.

    When Ayn Rand appeared on The Phil Donahue Show some 28 years ago (give or take), a guest asked “What should be done about ‘price gouging’ by the oil companies? And about the high price of oil?”

    This was about the time, or soon after, the Carter gas shortage.

    Regarding high oil and gasoline prices, Ayn Rand replied, “You must pay their price, and say thank you.”

    “To the oil companies!”, a shocked Donahue responded.

    What I find most hypocritical is how some “libertarians” (and many Objectivists) demand a free market when it comes to US companies, and who spout “A need is not a claim!” whenever an American says that free health care is a need and a right, but who then deny Arabs the same property rights to set their price for oil.

    If we believe in property rights, and we believe that a need is not a claim, then mustn’t we support the Arabs’ moral right to sell oil at any price, or even refuse to sell oil, should that be their wish?

  77. Rudi Dekkers Says:

    What I find most hypocritical is how some “libertarians”...

    How about when they demand that liberals literally interpret the 2nd half of the 2nd Amendment (right to keep and bear arms), but treat the 1st half of the 2nd Amendment which says that a militia should provide the security necessary in a free state as though its a mere ceremonial suggestion that we may freely disregard as outdated?

  78. Thomas M. Sipos Says:

    You’re right that the 2nd Amendment should be interpreted in its entirety.

    But it’s “progressives” who are dishonest on the 2nd Amendment. They say they want a holistic interpretation, but they don’t.

    You see, the 1st half of the 2nd Amendment doesn’t restrict the right to keep and bear arms; it expands it.

    The 2nd Amendment says that “the right of the people” to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

    Not the right of the militia, nor the right of the national guard, nor the right of the states. But the right of the people.

    The right belongs to the people. It’s a personal right.

    Why does this right exist? In order to form well-regulated militias!

    The 2nd Amendment doesn’t just protect the people’s right to keep and bear arms—it protects their right to form private, organized militias, without government control.

    That’s the only interpretation that makes sense, considering that it’s the “right of the people” and not the right of the militia. Forming a militia, like bearing arms, is the people’s right. The militia itself has no rights. At least none mentioned in the 2nd Amendment.

    But you’re right—I do wish liberals would recognize the people’s right to form independent, private militias, without govt control.

  79. Rudi Dekkers Says:

    I wish that conservatives understood the purpose of the right to form independent, private militias, without government control. Or as Elbridge Gerry asked and answered rhetorically at the Constitutional Convention:

    What, sir, is the use of a militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty.

    But modern conservatives are completely compromised and beholden to the the military police state—on a mass psychological and economic level.

  80. Winnie the Poo Says:

    Libertarians Against Landham petition

    http://lancebrown.org/libertarians-against-landham-petition

    This just came out a few hours ago, not many signatures yet but you can sign if you agree.

  81. Eric Dondero Says:

    I guess the mostly California, like Eric Garris and Anthony Gregory are trying to over-rule the wishes of 6,000 or so Kentucky voters who signed the Libetarian Party petition to get Sonny on the ballot for Senate.

    How ironic, that a bunch of San Francisco Bay Area Radicals are trying to impose their views on the State of Kentucky.

    Wonder how they would feel if a bunch of Louisville residents collected petition signatures from 3,000 miles away, to kick a flamboyant California petition off the ballot.

    Talk about tyrrany from abroad.

  82. Eric Dondero Says:

    Sipos, sure Landham holds many views that are less than libertarian. The proper thing is for Ken Moelmann and the KY LP to issue a press release distancing themselves from those views.

    But this is now a Kentucky voter matter.

    6,000 KY voters signed a petition to place the name of Sonny Landham on the ballot for United States Senate on the Libertarian Party ticket.

    Removing him now from the ballot would be against the wishes of those 6,000 KY voters. That could prove very hurtful to the reputation of the KY LP for years to come.

    Does the Libertarian Party really want to go against the wishes of so many Kentucky voters?

  83. Eric Dondero Says:

    Not too mention all those Libertarian Party petitiioners who stood out in the hot June/July sun to gather signatures for Sonny at parades, festivals, in front of grocery stores, ect…

    If Sonny is now removed as the candidate, do those petitioners who spent their time, and hard-earned dollars in gas money, ect… get any recourse if Sonny is removed?

    Not too mention the non-Libertarian petitioners, who were just pure Sonny supporters, who assisted the LP with petitioning in order to get Sonny on the ballot. How do you think they are going to feel?

  84. Eric Dondero Says:

    Ms. Miller, I have spent a great deal of time in the Middle East. I speak basic Arabic.

    Let me tell you something about the Arab people. The one thing they understand and respect is STRENGTH. They completely disrespect weakness. Bin Laden said himself that the reason they went ahead with the 9/11 attacks was because of the pull-out of US Troops from Somalia, and watching the US Troops under Clinton, cower away in fear.

    If we want to win over the hearts and minds of the Arab peoples we need to project strength and fortitude, not weakness.

    Look at the success of the Surge. Our early crack-downs in the Anbar Province with the full might of the US Military impressed the other Arab leaders in other Iraq Provinces, and they eventually turned on Al Qaeda and joined with the US.

    Your approach of weakness and pacifism will only lead to more attacks upon the United States.

  85. Sam Deakins Says:

    Sonny has my vote even if it is because of his audacity of truth. He says what a lot of folks think but are too cowardly or cower in fear of being called racist or Islamophobic. Take the fight to these Muslim terrorists or they will surely bring it home to Main Street America.

  86. Yalla Vote Says:

    Its candidates like Sonny that make educated votes so important. And if you don’t vote against bigotry like this, you make it that much easier for them to win.

    Really. Do you want someone like this in power, making decisions for the country?

  87. Ayn R. Key Says:

    Eric Cartman Dondero wrote:

    Hey, Ms. Miller, I’m not a Hillbilly, but I am a bit of a Southern boy. I do know that one of the central tenats of Southerness, particularly for Males, is bravado and machismo.

    And Southerners like myself don’t consider 5 people pounding on 1 person to be manly.

    Let’s not forget that many of these people you are defending attacked our country on September 11, 2001, killing 3000 of our fellow countrymen.

    Actually, 23 of them did. There are millions of Arabs in the Middle East, and most of them weren’t on those four flights. Was there not enough room for all of them? Or were they all hiding in the Muslim Superpower Country that you believe exists that’s not on any of the maps but is capable of conquering the USA?

  88. Donna Miller Says:

    “Let me tell you something about the Arab people. The one thing they understand and respect is STRENGTH.”

    “If we want to win over the hearts and minds of the Arab peoples we need to project strength and fortitude, not weakness.”

    If it were that simple, Saddam Hussein would have been universally loved and respected in Iraq.

    I seriously doubt that our unpopularity in the Arab world comes from killing too few Iraqis. Many Arabs resent our foreign policy for its bellicosity.

    It is not weakness to treat Arab-Americans as citizens of their adopted country, instead of enemies. Should we treat people who have fled tyrannies in the Middle East as enemies even after they have embraced America? If most Arab-Americans were sympathetic to terrorists, we would have suffered far more attacks than the WTC.

    It is not weakness to treat the vast majority of Arabs who have not attacked us as “camel jockeys”. Why go out of our way to make enemies of people who don’t support Al-Qaeda?

    “Your approach of weakness and pacifism will only lead to more attacks upon the United States.”

    You haven’t answered my question: Are Arabs terrorists who deserve to be killed because market forces have driven the price of oil up in recent years? What about other producers of other commodities?

  89. MPM Says:

    “The term “Islamo-Fascism” fits precisely. The Grand Mufti met with Adolph Hitler on numerous occasions in the early 1940s, and was received by the Nazi Regime as an honored guest and allie in Berlin. At the time the Grand Mufti was pushing for Pan-Arabia, and like Hitler the mass exportation and/or extinction of the Jewish Race.”

    Right, and they broadcast a Nazi radio show to the middle east in Turkish, Farsi, and Arabic. But you’re basically describing the origins of the founding of the Baathist party too by Michel Aflaq. And as we all know, Baathism (real Islamo-fascism) totally goes against both moderate Islamism and violent radical fundamentalists like Al-Qaeda.

    Dr. Gonzo: Costa Rica doesn’t have a standing military. Other countries don’t have a standing military. I’m a firm believer in the private sector being able to solve many of our defense needs when we’re not being invaded or rebelled against, so I think mercenaries/”private military contractors” commissioned by the government would work just fine. I know Blackwater has caught some heat lately for acting corrupt in Iraq, but I believe our government has basically given them a blank check and hasn’t created a truly competitive environment in which various security companies can compete for contracts. Plus, they shouldn’t be in Iraq in the first place.

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