Kubby Urges Support For Barr/Root Ticket

[Note: minutes after losing the V.P. nomination to Wayne Root on Sunday, Steve Kubby spoke to an angry crowd of about 100 near the Radical Caucus booth challenging them to stay in the LP and work to make it stronger than ever.]

Dear Friends, Activists and Fellow Libertarians,

I’ve just returned from the Libertarian National Convention, held this past week in Denver. I know a lot of people are stunned and some are still angry that Bob Barr won. Although I am exhausted, I wanted to get a message out about where we go from here.

Anti-Barr literature, buttons and posters were highly visible throughout the entire convention. Those who were opposed to Barr made it painfully clear to him how much they disliked him.

For my part, I have taken Barr to task on several occasions. I’ve blasted Barr for violating his oath of office to uphold and defend the Constitution by shutting down the DC vote on medical marijuana—a vote that the ACLU later found out through court action was a whopping 69% in support.

In fact, when I first met Barr, one of the first things I said to him was, “What should I tell all my friends and fellow activists who have suffered so terribly because of the laws you helped to write and fund?”

His response? “Tell them my conversion is sincere.”

I’ve attacked Root as well, slamming him over his past comments about the threat of “Islamo-Fascism” and his promoting himself as “W.A.R.”

Fortunately, I’ve had several opportunities to engage both men privately and to ask the tough questions, one on one. Their responses, their concerns and their integrity impressed me.

That’s not to say that we still don’t have our differences, but I can tell you that Barr and Root are sincere and effective spokesmen for reigning in the government, restoring our constitutional rights, allowing states to determine their own laws regarding drugs and for
the full legalization of medical marijuana.

Although my good friend and long time party activist, Tom Knapp has been highly critical of Root, I have found Wayne to be one of the nicest, smartest, and honest human being I’ve ever known. After nearly two years of campaigning, we have developed enormous respect for each other and intend to be friends for life. I am just as impressed with his wonderful wife and family. In particular, I was blown away by the nomination speech, delivered live to a national audience, by his beautiful, brilliant, home-schooled, 16-year-old daughter, Dakota Root.

After their victory, the Barr campaign could have told their opponents not to let the door hit them in the ass on their way out and saved themselves a lot of future grief. Instead, we have seen a concerted effort by Barr and Root to unify the party.

More importantly, I now believe Barr and Root are the strongest pro-freedom ticket we’ve ever had and that, with your support, we can have an enormous impact this November. These men are smart, media savvy and determined to win. Considering that we are already in a perfect
storm politically, with a record level of voter discontent, anything is possible. At the very least, John McCain is already being discussed in MSM as a likely loser in November, now that Barr has won the Libertarian Party’s nomination.

Bob Barr and Wayne Root won their nomination fair and square. Now they are ready to carry the banner of liberty across the country and to provide a wide spectrum of voters with a clear choice this November. They deserve every ounce of support we can muster.

Let freedom grow,

Steve Kubby

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111 Responses to “Kubby Urges Support For Barr/Root Ticket”

  1. disinter Says:

    Screw that. I have never voted for a neocon and I am not about to start.

  2. Richie Says:

    This letter from Kubby has made me reconsider my opposition to Barr/Root. Don’t take this the wrong way - I’m still opposed to the ticket, but my mind has been opened a bit and I will give them a chance to win my vote. If Baldwin doesn’t end up on the ballot, or doesn’t file as a write-in here in Maryland, the chances of me warming up to Barr/Root will increase.

    If Ruwart endorses, the deal will be sealed.

  3. Eric Dondero Says:

    Root should have slammed you Mr. Kubby for not recognizing the greatest threat to our freedoms today is worldwide Islamo-Fascism. Shame on you.

  4. Eric Dondero Says:

    How pompous of Kubby to give his “seal of approval” to the Barr/Root ticket.

    Hey Kubby, you lost. You should be going to Barr and Root and asking them how you can help the ticket. Better yet, you should grab a clipboard and go out and petition to get the ticket on the ballot.

  5. Eric Dondero Says:

    I sincerely hope Barr and Root don’t spend any more time trying to reach out to Radical Anarchists like Kubby.

    They should be reaching out to the Perot voters 100 times larger and more important than Kubby and Ruwart types.

    Move to the Center is the best move.

  6. TERRY SOMEBODY Says:

    This is good news. In hindsight I wish Kubby had won the VP slot for reasons of party unity. Nothing against Root, just the fact that Kubby would have brought balance.

    I hope Barr goes beyond supporting medical MJ and takes a principled stand against the War on Drugs. I understand pragmatic politics but I think the time is right to make the argument. I supported the Reform platform but I think it could be improved with some slightly stronger language against the War on Drugs.

  7. Eric Dondero Says:

    Kubby put in a horrible performance at the convention. He looked like he was stoned the whole time on C-SPAN. At least he smiled. But the way he smiled, came across like he was totally a stoner.

    He would have been an embarrassment as the VP candidate. If not Root, Jingozian or Gravel would have been good. But not Kubby.

  8. Mike Theodore Says:

    “Move to the Center is the best move.”

    Oh ya, because this helped the Republican and Democratic parties alot. /sarcasm/

  9. disinter Says:

    I hope Barr goes beyond supporting medical MJ and takes a principled stand against the War on Drugs.

    “he says that troops should be sent from Iraq to South America in order to stop the flow of illegal drugs. This demand makes sense on only two assumptions: that the war on drugs is right, and that the United States owns the world. He arrogantly refers to current American policy in the region as “benign neglect,” under which the citizens allegedly “chafe.””

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/katz-j/katz-j28.html

  10. Brent Burk Says:

    Eric Dondero,

    Can you stfu for one moment? You are the arrogant and ignorant person I know, and that’s a sad state of affairs.

  11. GoNolzOhio Says:

    I hope he gets the simple message of smaller government and more personal liberty out to the American public. O.K.? Instead of showing people how cool we are by saying we’re for legalizing heroin tomorrow, or how child porn is really a complex issue because the child may have consented the photos, how about we just say “we are Libertarians, we think America deserves another choice, and that choice involves smaller government and more personal liberty.”

  12. Jeff Wartman Says:

    Hey Kubby, you lost. You should be going to Barr and Root and asking them how you can help the ticket. Better yet, you should grab a clipboard and go out and petition to get the ticket on the ballot.

    While I’m happy with Wayne’s selection, one thing is certain: Kubby only lost because a number of purists walked out after the Presidential balloting. If the purists had been better organized, Kubby would have won.

    At this point, Kubby is helping to keep the party together.

  13. Jeff Wartman Says:

    Kubby put in a horrible performance at the convention.

    While it may not have swung many votes, on the convention floor I got the impression that most delegates thought Kubby was the most impressive at the debate.

  14. DrGonzo Says:

    I hope he gets the simple message of smaller government and more personal liberty out to the American public. O.K.? Instead of showing people how cool we are by saying we’re for legalizing heroin tomorrow, or how child porn is really a complex issue because the child may have consented the photos, how about we just say “we are Libertarians, we think America deserves another choice, and that choice involves smaller government and more personal liberty.”

    Wow, this could be considered a rational post. Doesn’t happen too often on this site.

  15. GoNolzOhio Says:

    I also have a possible campaign motto for Barr:

    “Hi, I’m Bob Barr, Libertarian for President, and unlike my party’s last presidential candidate, I have a credit card…and a driver’s license. Ooooooo…”

  16. Adam Freeman Says:

    Great move Dondero - celebrate the Libertarian cause by name-calling and dividing possible voters…..real smooth.

  17. Rich Vanier Says:

    I am new to the Libertarian Party. But, I have figured one thing, Steve Kubby is a “Class Act” No one forced Kubby to write this letter. Kubby is doing what’s best for The Libertarian Party and The Libertarian Movement. Steve Kubby for Governor in 2010. Bravo Steve Kubby.

  18. Adam Freeman Says:

    I feel that all of the candidates at the C-Span debate were strongly advocating a libertarian message, some more big ‘L’ than others or vice versa… but to totally write-off Steve Kubby’s strong principles and libertarian message based on how you perceived him looking at the convention (stoned, right Mr. Dondero?) is a shame.
    While he may not be your first, second, or even third choice as a Pres. or VP candidate, trashing him on the grounds you did is childish and not substantive.

    Is it because he endorsed Ron Paul and said he would support his candidacy if he should win the GOP nod?

    Not to mention that all of the participants in the debate agree with Paul on foreign policy, which must really piss you off Eric…

  19. bump Says:

    i hold steve kubby and the libertarian party in much higher regard now after reading that letter. it would also be nice if ruwart endorsed the ticket too. although i doubt the other woman that ran will. lol. and dondero please stfu and go away.

  20. Ayn R. Key Says:

    As for attempts at unity, has anyone tried leaving anything other than a praiseful comment on Barr’s blog? A comment such as “I have a concern about your position on this issue” is sure to not be allowed if it is one of the issues Barr is ducking.

    The fact that Dondero blesses this ticket should give everyone reason for concern given that Dondero worships state power.

  21. Craig Says:

    Nice move by Kubby, endorsing Barr and Root for what they are—far from perfect, but the best choice on the ballot this November, and worthy of our support.

    Nice move by Phillies as well, calling for unity in his concession speech.

  22. Midwestern Independent Says:

    Dondero acted like scumbags McCain and Giuliani were Libertarians. Though I might go with Barr/Root, Dondero has no credibility.

  23. disinter Says:

    has anyone tried leaving anything other than a praiseful comment on Barr’s blog? A comment such as “I have a concern about your position on this issue” is sure to not be allowed if it is one of the issues Barr is ducking.

    Interesting. Barf’s true colors are showing.

  24. disinter Says:

    Not to mention that all of the participants in the debate agree with Paul on foreign policy

    With the exception of Bob Barf.

  25. Adam Freeman Says:

    Barr is not as strong on foreign policy as Paul—- Barr voted for the Patriot Act and Iraq War, which has been noted numerous times. But Barr is still less intervention-driven than McCain or Obama.
    So, no Disinter, he is not perfect, FAR from it…
    but the LP ticket is better than the Bloods and Crips that control D.C. currently

  26. Chuck Moulton Says:

    Steve Kubby is a class act and a great asset to the LP. My respect for him continues to go up the more I get to know him and the more I hear from him.

    We all should support the Convention’s choice for P/VP. At the same time we each can support lower ticket candidates who match our ideology and strategy closer and plan ahead to have many strong choices for 2012.

  27. disinter Says:

    But Barr is still less intervention-driven than McCain or Obama.

    “he is not a libertarian on the most important issue of our time - foreign policy. I have yet to hear an unambiguous commitment to immediate withdrawal from Iraq. Unlike Paul, he also has not promised to remove our troops from the other 150 countries in which they are stationed. Barr’s campaign website uses the rhetoric of non-intervention, but a perusal of the articles available on that same website gives the lie to any idea that he opposes foreign intervention.

    In these articles, Barr argues for intervention in both Iran and South America. He affirms the US as a “stakeholder” in Iranian political decisions, and supports sanctions. Regarding South America, he says that troops should be sent from Iraq to South America in order to stop the flow of illegal drugs. This demand makes sense on only two assumptions: that the war on drugs is right, and that the United States owns the world. He arrogantly refers to current American policy in the region as “benign neglect,” under which the citizens allegedly “chafe.” It is hard to know where to begin criticizing this claim - with the fact that benign neglect is a term applied to British imperial policy toward its colonies, that the colonies liked benign neglect and rebelled because it ended, or with the observation that, in fact, we already intervene plenty. ”

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/katz-j/katz-j28.html

  28. disinter Says:

    but the LP ticket is better than the Bloods and Crips that control D.C. currently

    When you consider that Barf is one of them, I am not sure how he is any different at all.

  29. George Phillies Says:

    Reason magazine has recently published an article on the event that included an implication that I would support L Neil Smith as an alternative Presidential candidate. You may rest assured that I said nothing at all about Smith, let alone anything favorable. Should anyone ask, my opinion of Smith’s political positions is extremely negative.

    I have been presented with a request by some of my state committee members for a special state convention to consult the Party Membership on the nomination. That’s a matter of fact that was in circulation elsewhere, which I confirmed, not my opinion on what should be done.

    Yes, I am a bit challenged that the nomination has so far cost me my major ballot access donor, my lead in-state petitioner, and in due time through resignation from the party my lead activist. Those by the way are all different people.

  30. Adam Freeman Says:

    disinter—-

    I am aware of all of the info you have posted… i said that Barr was less intervention-driven than the others, not that he was great. HE IS FAR FROM IT.

    His voting record is NOTHING compared to Paul’s, and I already mentioned Barr’s errors like the Patriot Act and Iraq, plus his pursuit of the war on drugs while participating in the street fights between the Bloods and Crips.

    My only point: overall, Barr is far more libertarian than the major party candidates, and all other 3rd partty candidates—currently.

    Me personally, I am currently inclined to write-in Dr. Ron Paul because even if that’s a vote that is ‘thrown away’, I would still have a clear conscience…

  31. Gene Trosper Says:

    I am a Barr supporter. I also consider Steve Kubby a hero to the drug reform movement and to the cause of human liberty. He has my utmost respect.

    Steve, thank you for that heartfelt letter of support. I appreciate it and many other Libertarians do as well.

    As for Dondero…..I had a vulgarity laced response but decided to erase it because not only did I not want to lower myself to his level, I did not want to tarnish this post about Steve’s unity letter.

  32. Gene Trosper Says:

    # Rich Vanier Says:
    May 27th, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    I am new to the Libertarian Party. But, I have figured one thing, Steve Kubby is a “Class Act” No one forced Kubby to write this letter. Kubby is doing what’s best for The Libertarian Party and The Libertarian Movement. Steve Kubby for Governor in 2010. Bravo Steve Kubby.

    You are absolutely, Steve Kubby is the definition of class. And Steve, if you want to go for Governor in 2010, I’ll be the first to say I want to work on your campaign!

  33. disinter Says:

    i said that Barr was less intervention-driven than the others

    Which isn’t true at all.

  34. disinter Says:

    My only point: overall, Barr is far more libertarian than the major party candidates, and all other 3rd partty candidates—currently.

    Chuck Baldwin is far more libertarian.

    Me personally, I am currently inclined to write-in Dr. Ron Paul because even if that’s a vote that is ‘thrown away’, I would still have a clear conscience…

    That is what I am going to do.

  35. Adam Freeman Says:

    “Which isn’t true at all.”

    Not so.
    He sang a different tune at the LP Convention. Though, I agree with what I believe is your point- that he is not truly in favor of non-intervention as he lets on to others…

  36. disinter Says:

    He sang a different tune at the LP Convention.

    Yea and you all bought it hook, line and sinker. Suckers.

  37. Adam Freeman Says:

    I don’t want to continue to debate Barr’s ‘truthiness’, if you will, because his nomination, combined with the Root VP spot, has kind of taken the wind out of the sails at the moment…

    I’m not so sure that your position that Baldwin’s stances vs. Barr’s and “who is more libertarian” holds up on many issues, but i am glad to see we agree on one thing: write in Ron Paul.

  38. Adam Freeman Says:

    I am not a Libertarian party member, though i fully lean libertarian. Political parties are dangerous, as you can see.

    Nothing was bought hook line in sinker, at least not by me.

  39. disinter Says:

    Nothing was bought hook line in sinker, at least not by me.

    I apologize. I should have said the “delegates bought it…”

  40. Adam Freeman Says:

    Not a problem, disinter.
    I understand your arguments against Barr because I feel the same way on MANY positions he has harbored, but he claims yadda yadda yadda, things change.
    But these are positions he held within the last decade! It seems like he’s gone through an awfully quick and convenient conversion over the last give or take 4 years.

    If his record was anywhere close to Paul’s on foreign policy, civil liberties, or monetary policy, I would give him an easier time…

    but non-interventionism lite, cherry-picking what civil liberties should be honored, and advocating a fair-tax?????????

    As of now, writing in Dr. Ron Paul, no question in my mind that I will sleep soundly.

  41. Daniel Wiener Says:

    Anyone who knows Steve Kubby knows that his focus is on achieving liberty, and not on internecine battles. He doesn’t want to be a big fish in a small pond. That wasn’t how he achieved his greatest victory—passage of the medical marijuana initiative in California. That required support from the majority of voters, not just from marijuana users or libertarians. That required practical, effective politics in the service of a principled cause.

    So I’m not at all surprised by Steve’s expression of support for the duly-elected nominees of the Libertarian Party. If instead Steve had taken his marbles and walked out, THAT would have stunned me.

  42. Adam Freeman Says:

    Here, here, Daniel.

  43. Adam Freeman Says:
    • on praise for Kubby and his positions.

    I do also understand his endorsement of LP’s candidates…
    but I second Daniel’s praise of Kubby

  44. Adam Freeman Says:

    woops…. did not mean to quote that first part….

  45. Rolf Lindgren Says:

    Good job, Steve Kubby!

  46. timothy west Says:

    Kubby deserves respect. Where’s Ruwart’s letter?

    Ya know, mainly because of disinters bullshit attitude and sour grapes, I’m going to gloat just a bit. it’s nice to see your POV prevail. When I was writing my blogs in 2004 and 2005, and said the LP had to become a real political party, I got shit on by a lot of bizarre people who swore nothing would come of it and that they hoped my cancer would kill me quick.

    Well, and I mean this in the nicest way, fuck all of you “radicals” who wished me ill will, and thank you to class acts like Bill Redpath, Chuck Moulton and Shane Cory who treated me well. If there were more class acts like you in the LP it would be a better place.

    The delegates have chosen political party over social debate club and trying to figure out who’s the mostest bestest purist libertarian of them all.

    If you don’t support Barr/Root, you have not a fucking principle in your body. They are the nominees of your party. Either support them or get the fuck out. I did.

    Gloat over.

  47. Adam Freeman Says:

    *If you don’t support Barr/Root, you have not a fucking principle in your body. They are the nominees of your party. Either support them or get the fuck out. I did.

    Not supporting Barr/Root should not cast doubt on one’s principles. There are certain policy positions that are disagreeable, but I understand your hope to make the LP a “real political party”, as you said aboce.

    However, I’m not a big L, Libertarian Party member, so I suppose your message doesn’t apply to me.

    Barr/Root has some work to do to ease over some in the party (official members) and also work on the non-party members that may go LP in November.

    Tough sell, but I wish them best in the name of liberty, prosperity, and peace.

  48. timothy west Says:

    I’m not a LP member at all, after 20++ years involvement. I was just following in the footsteps of people like Lois Kanashiki and the Prince William County (VA) libertarians, who said the same things and fought the good fight before it’s time to have the LP actually mean something in the real world.

    Let the historical record show my writing had a effect, be it good or bad, FWIW.

  49. Robert Capozzi Says:

    Kudos to Kubby for this message.

    You know, Eric Dondero MIGHT be right that the jihad is the single greatest threat to domestic tranquility. For me, it’s hard to say. It is a threat, certainly. I’d say there are others that are of concern: Russia and China come to mind, as does our own government in very different ways.

    Does the jihadist threat justify the Iraq War, seems the more salient question. There I’d suggest strongly: No.

  50. ninja six Says:

    Ayn R. Key Says:
    May 27th, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    As for attempts at unity, has anyone tried leaving anything other than a praiseful comment on Barr’s blog? A comment such as “I have a concern about your position on this issue” is sure to not be allowed if it is one of the issues Barr is ducking.

    **********

    The moderators over there censor everything.

  51. ninja six Says:

    I enjoyed listening to Kubby during the debate Saturday night, and this is a great handshake letter. Poster #1 on this thread and others like poster #1 need to realize that politics is a compromise.

  52. ninja six Says:

    Also, I’d like to add that poster #3 is clearly off his rocker and obviously is a total prick.

  53. Jim Davidson Says:

    Barr could not have told his opponents to go away. The numbers in the sixth ballot are very close, about 48 votes separating Barr from defeat and Mary Ruwart from victory. Obviously, if the Barr people want to get anywhere in the next year, they cannot afford to alienate the radical caucus. Please note that Mary Ruwart, Angela Keaton, and R. Lee Wrights won seats on the Libertarian National Committee at the same convention where Barr and Root won their nominations. It seems silly to suggest that defying his opponents has ever been an option for Barr within the LP.

    For my own part, I don’t trust Mr. Barr. I sincerely doubt his sincerity. I think he is the same drug warrior who prosecuted drug users as the USA attorney for the Northern (military occupation) District of Georgia, and as anti-drug coordinator for the Department of Justice 1986-1990. Why? Because he went on the Fox News network two weeks before his nomination this year and told Hannity and Colmes viewers that he opposes the legalization of drugs.

    The Boston Tea Party is considering nominees for its national ticket. Learn more at bostontea.us.

    With regard to fascism and Islam, please visit murabitun.org for more details on what Islam is about.

  54. Bill Woolsey Says:

    Chuck Baldwin is no libertarian.

    His positions on economic issues are awful.

    He supports a protective tariff based upon the difference between the U.S. cost of production and the foreign cost of production. He supports this to protect American jobs. He also says that he opposes trade agreements because they interfere with U.S. self-sufficiency and U.S.
    economic self-reliance.

    This economic nationalist program is the opposite of Paul’s support for unilateral free trade.

    Baldwin also claims that Paul’s legislation about abortion, which Paul claims would leave the issue to the states, will instead create a national ban on abortion. He promises that legal abortion will end the day he is inaugurated.

    At best, Baldwin agrees with Barr and Paul’s position that controversial social issues should be left to the states. On their personal opinions about what the states should do, Barr is somewhere between Baldwin and Paul. As a political matter, I think Barr is better than Paul on abortion, because I don’t expect him to emphasize his pro-life position in the campaign like Paul. Baldwin, of course, not only emphasizes it, as explained above, he calls for a federal ban.

    For those who believe conspiracy theories, Baldwin is better than Paul and Paul is better than Barr.

    And I think we have the explanation of this Disinter character.

    He has told us all that he is a Truther. Barr has blown the “truthers” off.
    So, we can expect disinter to try to disrupt our efforts.

  55. DrGonzo Says:

    Why is everyone so focused on the drug issue. Who cares that we wouldn’t be able to immediately sit around and smoke crack right away? There are issues 100 times more important than the legalization of hard drugs. As long as Barr admits it has been a failure, and is willing to work up to that should be all that matters.

    And people are acting like he actually has a chance to win the nomination anyways. Since he has no chance, why not maintain a moderate stance adn attract more voters.

    Some people honestly know nothing of how politics work.

  56. Jonathan Says:

    Thanks Kubby , you said it best “Let Freedom Grow”
    otherwise this party will turn into the green party or reform party and destroy itself.

  57. Jonathan Says:

    I urge everyone reading all these posts not to let people like DISINTER divide us, destroy us , or instill his negativity upon us. It is not our fault Disinter hates his life and it is his right to put people down, make up conspiracy theories and all around be counter-productive. We must work together to make the Libertarian ticket succeed and LET FREEDOM GROW !

  58. Gene Trosper Says:

    Jonathan: “disinter” is one of those people who like to disrupt what other people are doing by calling names such as “retard”. I mean, really: it’s laughable and pathetic. Disinter has no credibility and should be ignored.

  59. Nexus Says:

    Excellent job Mr. Kubby! Your call for party unity made my day.

  60. Clark Says:

    SOME RETARD CAUCUS MEMBER HURLED: “Instead of showing people how cool we are by saying we’re for legalizing heroin tomorrow.. (END)

    ...truly knowledgeable people don’t use the stinking word ‘legalization,’ you republicrat dolt…

    ...the message is simple and timeless, you stoooooopid Barfers:..’freedom, and responsibility, don’t mean a fucking thing without the word ‘individual’ [understood] preceding them..

    ...and the freedom and responsibilty of individuals to/for self-medication/ingestion are fundamental; ..and only a truly numb, twisted, etc. fuck, doesn’t recognize this reality..

    ANOTHER APPARENT RETARD CAUCUSER PISSED: “Why is everyone so focused on the drug issue. Who cares that we wouldn’t be able to immediately sit around and smoke crack right away? There are issues 100 times more important than the legalization of hard drugs”..(END)

    ...apparently some numb republicrats are unaware of the havoc created by BOBO BARF’S, etcetercrats galore, STINKING WORLD-WIDE DRUG WAR

    ...’the home of the free’ has, i believe,—THE HIGHEST % OF ‘ITS CITIZENSIN JAIL/UNDER SOME COURT ORDER THAN ANY COUNTRY IN WORLD HISTORY, YOU STOOOOOOOOOOOPID REPUBLICRATS!..largely, thanks to your and bobo barf’s stinking ‘drug laws..’

    ...and dundero, you’re a beaut!.. ;o)

  61. Viverrid Says:

    I just wanted to say that I’ve seen (and still see) negative comments on the barr2008.com blog that have been there for days now. Perhaps there is some censoring going on but it appears that it’s not working too well.

  62. Nexus Says:

    The odds of Barr/Root winning the White House are pretty remote. If they had a good shot at winning, then concerns about interventionist foreign policy would be justified. As it stands, the point of this campaign is to spread the message of liberty and grow the LP. Our candidates are both fully qualified for this task.

  63. Clark Says:

    AND YET ANOTHER APPARENT RETARDER BELCHED: “You know, Eric Dondero MIGHT be right that the jihad is the single greatest threat to domestic tranquility. For me, it’s hard to say. It is a threat, certainly. I’d say there are others that are of concern: Russia and China come to mind, as does our own government in very different ways.” (END)

    ...(apparently some republicrat dopes haven’t figured out that the US war machine, encircling the planet with base$, etc. military installation$ galore, mercenarie$, spie$, agent provocateur$, meddling, stinking republicrat diplomat$, government-$ubsidized arm$ trader$, etc. ad goddamned nau$eam, is a grave, short and long-term threat to ‘tranquility’ here and abroad..)

    ..here’s a little cheer for you stooooooooooopid fuck barfer’s:...

    ..barf’s in the high chair

    who put him up there?
    ma, pa, sis, boom bah
    RETARD CAUCUS
    rah rah rah.. ;o)

  64. VTV Says:

    I was one of the people who convinced Kubby to make his speech. It was a heroic move on his part and won a lot of my support. However I fear it may be too little too late. There were a lot of rumors of shady activity from the Barr campaign. And the mass walk outs not just from the hotel from the party were very evident.

    One thing I can say having attended to this event is that the key to the nomination of the LP is not principles, speeches, etc.

    It’s travel expenses.

    Either your delegates can afford to show up or they can’t. The delegate numbers for specific candidates barely changed at all during the convention. Most people show up already knowing who they are going to vote for. There were rumors that many of Barr’s delegates were offered travel/hotel expenses paid in exchange for votes.

    I was in the trenches fighting for Mike Gravel the whole time. I do find it funny that people were so worried about the “Socialist” invasion of the LP by a former democrat that they didn’t realize until it was too late that the one they should of been worried about was the fascist.

    The turning point towards this end came about during an unofficial debate between Gravel, Jingozian, Link, Kubby, and Ruwart early in the convention. A good portion of the anarchist movement attacked Gravel, and it set the stage for the Gravel/Jingozian factions spending the whole convention trying to get the Ruwart/Kubby factions. Meanwhile Barr kept on trucking. Several attempts to get the Centrists and the Anarchists to work together against Barr failed as each candidate thought they were the right choice.

    There was clearly a serious element in the delegation that wanted a “Named” candidate. Their votes would of gone to either Barr or Gravel. All the Ruwart people told me that if they had a choice between Barr or Gravel they would take Gravel. But Mary’s early success basically prevented this from ever happening. The result? The nomination belongs to a neo-con. And a used car salesmen.

    I was naive enough to believe that this sort of thing would not happen in the LP.

  65. Eric Dondero Says:

    Oh, this is hilarious. Jim Davidson says that the Barr/Root ticket can’t afford to “alienate” the Radical Caucus types.

    Jim, tell us please, just how many votes does that constitute in the American electorate? George Phillies is worrying about losing the “NeoPagan vote.” Really. This is not a joke. It’s on Reason.com this morning AND American Spectator. Phillies is fretting that NeoPagans won’t vote for Barr/Root.

    How many votes did Ross Perot achieve in 1992? 20 million.

    Can the NeoPagan vote, or the Libertarian Party Radical Caucus vote match 20 million?

    I’d say more like 20 thousand at most.

    Tell us Mr. Davidson, why in the world with Barr/Root choose to fall all over themselves to win over the NeoPagan and Anarchist vote, versus say ex-Ross Perot voters, or blue collar American votes, or any other constituency?

  66. Ayn R. Key Says:

    Adam Freeman wrote:

    Barr/Root has some work to do to ease over some in the party (official members) and also work on the non-party members that may go LP in November.

    The problem is, I see a determined effort to not do any of that work. Look, calls for party unity go beyond saying “You will unite behind me, you will support me, because I am your candidate.” Yes, he’s the candidate. Libertarians in general are more loyal to the product than the brand name, and I am very concerned about the product he is selling. The problem is, even before he got the nomination he refused to address the concerns of the Libertarian Caucus, and now that he’s got it he is even more resolute in refusing to address those concerns.

    We don’t know what product he is selling. We only know he’s selling it under the Libertarian Party brand name. From what we’ve seen, his product isn’t very libertarian. If only he’d communicate more instead of deleting every blog coment that doesn’t give mindless praise.

  67. Viverrid Says:

    Ayn R. Key,

    I’m confused. I see a number of negative comments on the barr2008.com blog. Are you saying that they are deleting some and leaving others?

  68. Susan Hogarth Says:

    Gloat over.

    Did it make you feel better, Tim?

  69. JT Says:

    Early on, I wrote off Kubby as just another Libertarian pothead joke. But the man has seriously impressed me recently. First, for his good job in the candidates debate at the LP convention. Now, for this very mature, unifying message. He’s a radical Libertarian who campaigned for months before the convention and didn’t even make it to the final ballot. Given that, his lack of bitterness toward Barr and his continuing enthusiasm about the LP is inspiring. I regret thinking less of him earlier.

  70. disinter Says:

    Either support them or get the fuck out.

    And the retard/unity caucus speaks.

  71. Bill Wood Says:

    Steve Kubby, I applaud you sir, you are a class act.

    “Kubby for Governor”

  72. disinter Says:

    For my own part, I don’t trust Mr. Barr. I sincerely doubt his sincerity. I think he is the same drug warrior who prosecuted drug users as the USA attorney for the Northern (military occupation) District of Georgia, and as anti-drug coordinator for the Department of Justice 1986-1990. Why? Because he went on the Fox News network two weeks before his nomination this year and told Hannity and Colmes viewers that he opposes the legalization of drugs.

    Oh but Barf changed his mind at the convention. And he is SERIOUS damnit!

  73. disinter Says:

    Chuck Baldwin is no libertarian.

    That is the point. It is pretty bad when the Libertarian candidate is LESS libertarian than Chuck Baldwin.

  74. Clark Says:

    http://www.americanpolitics.com/011399GailBarr.html

    ...here’s a little ditty from someone who probably knows barf a little better than you retard caucusers:..

    Affidavit of Gail Barr

    I Gail Barr, declare:

    1. I am the former wife of Robert Barr, congressman from Georgia. 1 know all of the following facts of my own knowledge and, if called and sworn as a witness, could, and would, competently testify thereto. I give this affidavit freely and voluntarily, of my own will, without any duress.

    2. I first met Robert Barr (hereinafter, “Bob”) at a dinner party in Falls church, Virginia, in March of 1976. We both worked for the Central Intelligence Agency at the time. He was separated from his first wife at the time. Bob and I began dating soon after we met. In October 1976, we were married.

    3. Bob was attending Georgetown Law School when we met, and graduated in June of 1977. About a year after his graduation, he wanted to leave the Central Intelligence Agency and move to Georgia to practice law. I took a cut in pay to move to Georgia to take a position in a local federal agency.

    4. Bob, who was born in Iowa, had attended the University of Southern California as an undergraduate, and his roommate there was there from Georgia. Bob had visited Georgia with his roommate. Bob had been involved with the Young Democrats while he was an undergraduate. Bob told me that his parents would not pay for his college education if he continued his involvement with the Young Democrats.

    5. When Bob and I married, we both wanted children. We planned to have three children.

    6. After we moved to Atlanta, Bob became active in politics. He was president of our homeowners’ association. He became chairman of the Cobb County Republican Party. He began attending more and more political functions.

    7. Bob thoroughly enjoyed politics, and he was very ambitious and his ambitions were his first priority. He told me that he wanted to be President of the United States, and retire as a U.S. Supreme Court Justice.

    8. In March of 1963, 1 became pregnant for the third time. When I became pregnant the third time, our two sons were three years old and a year-and-a-half. I was 38 years old, concerned with health complications the pregnancy might present, and Bob’s practice was slow, and he was not home much. We did not have any health insurance. I asked Bob what we should do; whether I should have an abortion. He said it was entirely my decision and that I should do whatever I wanted to do. This was an extremely difficult choice, but Bob did not want to help in making the decision, even though he was the father. If Bob had said, “No, don’t have an abortion,” I never would have had it done.

    9. Bob never told me not to have the abortion, or that he was in any way against my having the abortion. Any statement he made that he expressed his opposition to the abortion is simply not true.

    10. On the Saturday of the Memorial Day weekend in 1983, Bob drove me to the clinic to have an abortion. He watched our boys at home while the procedure was done. He then came to the clinic to to get me. He paid for the procedure.

    11. Through 1983 and into 1984, Bob became more involved with politics. He spent more time away from home. His law practice still was not doing well. In May 1984, I had an operation for breast cancer. I was undergoing chemotherapy throughout the summer of 1984. Our boys were four and two-and-a-half.

    12. In 1964, Bob was running for a state representative seat in Georgia against an incumbent. I asked him to stop campaigning after my cancer surgery and while going through chemotherapy, but he refused. He told me that the campaign would take my mind of my health problems. He never went to the chemotherapy treatments with me. He never tried to understand what I was going through. He was not there for me when I needed him.

    13. Instead, I helped Bob with his campaign. Our sons and I would stuff mailboxes, take part in parades, and otherwise try to help with his campaign. Bob lost that election.

    14. Because of the cancer, I was not able to have any more children. Bob and I were opposed to adoption, so our plans to have three children never happened.

    15. On a Saturday night about two weeks before Thanksgiving of 1985, Bob announced to me in our garage, I don’t love you anymore,” and that he was moving out. Our boys were five-and-a-half and four. I asked him to stay at least through Thanksgiving, but he refused and left immediately.

    16. In July, 1985, Bob had joined Cobb Leadership, a group of civic leaders from Cobb County, Georgia. Jeri, his current wife, also was a member of Cobb Leadership.

    17. A few months after Bob left the home, he moved into an apartment building where Jeri resided. Our children would visit him there. They would come home and tell me about “Dad’s water bed” and how they were spending time with “Jeri.” While Bob and I were separated and before our divorce, Bob and our boys also would spend the night at Jeri’s.

    18. Bob, our sons, and Jeri would go swimming together and go to church together during the time Bob and I were separated. Bob took Jeri to political and social functions.

    19. After Bob left us, he attempted to draw up the divorce papers by himself. He wanted me to immediately sell the house and to split the proceeds. In April of 1986, I hired an attorney to protect my interests and the interest of our sons.

    20. In May and June of 1986, Bob and Jeri, Bob’s current wife, were deposed. Both refused under oath to answer questions about their relationship either as it existed prior to time Bob left us or during the time Bob and I were separated. Specifically, each refused to answer whether they were having an affair during my marriage to Bob.

    21. Looking back, it is evident to me that Bob was having an affair with Jeri before Bob and I were divorced. During the summer of 1985, we would receive telephone calls at home, but when answered, the person would hang up. Bob was coming home later and later in the evening. Sometimes, he would not get home until the early hours of the morning.

    22. Changes took place in Bob. He had always worn glasses, but he switched to contact lenses. He started wearing custom suits. He took a renewed interest in his appearance.

    23. In September of 1985, I was helping out as a secretary in Bob’ s law office. He had me call to make luncheon arrangements with the woman he later married. Obviously, at the time, I did not realize Bob was having a romantic relationship with this woman. Friends would tell me that they saw Bob and Jeri holding hands at the mall or in restaurants. Also in October of 1985, the Cobb Leadership had a weekend conference in the Georgia mountains. Both Bob and Jeri attended.

    24. In October of 1985, Bob helped Jeri with a speeding ticket. One night soon after that, Bob brought home a Halloween card. When I asked who it was from, he said “nobody.” At the time I thought nothing more of it. It was my opinion that it was from Jeri.

    25. Our divorce was finalized on November 1986. A month before, in October of 1986, Bob was named United States Attorney. Bob married Jeri in December of 1986. I was given custody of our children. I have not remarried. I currently work for the federal government.

    26. In 1989, I filed a contempt action to compel him to reimburse some of the boys’ medical expenses.

    27. Although Bob and I have had arguments and disagreements since the divorce, we have managed to get along for the sake of our sons. In fact, when Bob was running for his congressional seat in 1994, I along with my family, contributed money to finance a newspaper advertisement on Bob’s behalf and did a radio commercial in support of Bob.

    28. 1 did not approach LFF, Inc., or Larry Flynt. They contacted me regarding Bob.

    I declare under penalty of perjury under the laws of the State of Georgia and the United States of America that the foregoing is true and correct.

    Executed this 8th day of January, 1999 at Atlanta, Georgia.

    GAIL BARR

    STATE OF GEORGIA

    COUNTY OF FULTON

    On January 8, 1999 before me, Caren Hite personally Appeared Gail Barr, personally known to me (or proved to me on The basis of satisfactory evidence) to be the person whose name Is subscribed to the within instrument and acknowledged to me That she executed the same in her authorized capacity, and that By her signature on the instrument, the person, or entity upon Behalf of which the person acted, executed the instrument. WTTNESS my hand and official seal.

  75. disinter Says:

    The odds of Barr/Root winning the White House are pretty remote….As it stands, the point of this campaign is to spread the message of liberty and grow the LP. Our candidates are both fully qualified for this task.

    That is strange. The whole retard caucus argument is that we need to be out of the education business and be winning elections. Is the retard caucus starting to splinter?

  76. disinter Says:

    There were a lot of rumors of shady activity from the Barr campaign.

    You don’t say?

  77. Carl M Says:

    Kubby has shown class—a rather rare quality amongst the purists.

    Dondero is right about one thing: Kubby did look quite stoned at the convention. Very unpresidential. He should run for congress, not president. Health of the candidate is a significant factor for presidential candidates, regardless of the legality of the medications.

    (In fact, the health/age of John McCain is McCain’s biggest vulnerability against Barr.)

  78. Ayn R. Key Says:

    Viverrid,

    Perhaps he is. My negative comments are along the lines of “can you clarify your position on these issues” and those never get through.

  79. texpat Says:

    Eric Dondero:

    I hope to restrain myself from wasting any more time on you in the future, but you’re a total buffoon. Kubby was a class act at the convention and continues to be, whereas you demonstrate the opposite by launching into not one, but four, imbecilic diatribes. I can respect those who chose to work in the RLC, but if they had any sense, they’d disassociate themselves with someone who is so full of hatred as you.

  80. disinter Says:

    (In fact, the health/age of John McCain is McCain’s biggest vulnerability against Barr.)

    True. It certainly isn’t their differences on this issues because there are none.

  81. Sean Scallon Says:

    I had no idea who Steve Kubby was until I saw the video of the CBC report on his battles with the Feds over medical marijuana and I came away impressed. He’s a sincere family man who simply wants something to treat the pain of his disease and I feel and many others do he’s being unfairly persecuted by a government with skewered priorities about drug enforcement. It’s too bad he could have been the Vice Presidential nominee which would have better united the party, but a deal is a deal. He understands this which is why he’s backing the party nominee and in so doing is making a lot of friends and supporters in the process. Hopefully he will continue his political career and I think he’s a front-runner for 2012 come what may.

    Mr. Rittberg, the only threat to national secruity is you getting the clap from some whore in Mexico. So do us all a favor or go south of the border. Since you neither know dignity nor decency, attacking Steve Kubby is par for the course for you, which is why you no long have a steady job.

  82. Eric Dondero Says:

    I am so full of myself!
    You all have figured me out…
    God I suck.

  83. TERRY SOMEBODY Says:

    Some news from Yahoo. The feds have busted six California medical marijuana shops. One employee is alledged to have sold a pound to an undercover officer.

    The employee “also allegedly sold marijuana products to Jeremy White, who is charged with gross vehicular manslaughter in connection with a December accident. White’s truck hit a car parked on a highway shoulder, killing the driver and seriously injuring a California Highway Patrol officer.

    According to court documents, White admitted he was under the influence at the time and investigators found marijuana and edible marijuana products in his car.”

    The battle to end prohibition is going to be rough.

  84. DrGonzo Says:

    Terry,

    That incident you described happens numerous times every day with alcohol. This is rare with marijuana. Its amazing people don’t realize this basic contradiction.

  85. Ayn R. Key Says:

    Eric Dondero, why do you care? You haven’t been in the LP in a very long time. You haven’t been a libertarian in a very long time. Yet you still insist in hanging around. Can your fellow neoconservative Republicans not stand your smell?

  86. disinter Says:

    You haven’t been a libertarian in a very long time.

    Was he ever?

  87. JT Says:

    DrGonzo: “Why is everyone so focused on the drug issue. Who cares that we wouldn’t be able to immediately sit around and smoke crack right away?”

    Um, the drug issue isn’t only about whether you can “sit around and smoke crack”; it’s about the hundreds of thousands of nonviolent people in prison and the tens of billions of tax dollars it costs to put them there. I agree that it’s not the most important issue, and some Libertarians annoyingly focus on that to the exclusion of everything else. But on grounds of both justice and economics, it shouldn’t be trivialized either.

  88. Open Letter From Don Lake Says:

    Jeff, Jeff, Jeff;
    Danny, Danny, Danny;
    Sean, Sean, Sean:

    I was not in Denver. As a long term proponent of Medical Marijuana and a Californian with frustrated Libertarian bent, what I saw was the dopey, dopester campaign photo.

    I took the time to call him [yet again]! This time he actually answered, instead of dodging. Then he carefully and specifically lied to me.

    His ‘communications’ chair is my classmate Thomas Knapp[erster]. A most uncommunicative person. Truth teller? Nope, he is an out and out liar!

    Same with the current chair of Missouri Libs.

    Libertarianism, like Natural Law and so called reformers, self inflicted wounds…....

  89. severin Says:

    I don’t think I will actively help Barr, but because the good guys like Kubby who are staying in the LP I won’t actively try and hurt his campaign either (unless he really says something terrible).

  90. TERRY SOMEBODY Says:

    Dr. Gonzo, I understand and agree with your point fully. I am completely against the war on drugs.

    They work on these undercover operations for months. I suspect the timing of this bust may have had something to do with the LP convention. Call me paranoid.

    The war on drugs is wrong morally, it is a failure, and a huge waste of resources. Not only that, it empowers violent gangs that turn poor neighborhoods into war zones. If white politicians had to live with this violence in their neighborhoods, they would have reevaluated their positions years ago.

    Roughly half of our prison space is wasted on non-violent drug offenders. Often the best and most aggressive police officers are assigned to drug task forces. Think if these resources were turned against thieves and violent offenders?

    Think about what could be done with the money wasted on the drug war to help neglected children from drugged out parents? (Whether drugs are legal or illegal we will have such neglected children).

    Oops! I forgot. Private charity is supposed to help them.

  91. timothy west Says:

    Did it make you feel better, Tim?

    Hell, yeah. Smooth as ice cream. But unlike disinter and others like him, I’ll only do it once.

    Hogarth, what in he world are you going to do if Barr gats 5 to 7 million votes in November? Same thing your side did to Clark in 1980, right?

    Ah well, it’s not my battle any more. Do what you wanna do when yo wanna do it.

  92. citizen1 Says:

    Angry libertarians that do not want to support a neocon should take another look at the Constitution Party.

  93. disinter Says:

    Hogarth, what in he world are you going to do if Barr gats 5 to 7 million votes in November?

    Celebrate his victory? Oh wait, he still wouldn’t have won shit. Damn.

  94. disinter Says:

    Angry libertarians that do not want to support a neocon should take another look at the Constitution Party.

    I will vote for Baldwin over Barf any day. I hope he gets on the ballot in TX.

  95. disinter Says:

    Question for the Barfers:

    Why not just run someone like Dick Cheney (oh wait, you are) or Hillary Clinton? Screw this incremental shit. If you are going to whore out your principles for the sole purpose of “winning”, then quit fucking around and get down to business. Principles schminciples.

  96. darolew Says:

    “True. It certainly isn’t their differences on this issues because there are none.”

    More blatant lies from disinter. I mean come on, no differences in the issues between Barr and McCain? That’s an outright lie. disinter seems determined to alienate and insult everyone, in an apparent attempt to destroy what little credibility he ever had.

  97. dodsworth Says:

    Disinter:

    Unwittingly but your over the top statements, you are Dondero’s best friend. Sometimes I wonder if he has hijacked your screen name! You guys actually have quite a lot in common regarding your black and white view of everything and anything. Do either of you have any awareness oa concept called “nuance?”

    I have big, big problems with Barr but his record, not to mention his current positions, is not nearly as Satanic as you make out. His website puts him on record of non-intervention and he just issues another newsrelease attack the feds for violating personal privacy. He issued another news release praising California’s right to have gay marriage. The pro-neocon Freepers despise him because of his association with the ACLU and other stands. Aren’t they in the grand neocon conspiracy?

    Also, if Barr was just another “neocon” why would he want to split the Republican vote and thus perhaps put Obama in the White House?

  98. dodsworth Says:

    Disinter:

    I meant to say “by your over the top statements”

  99. disinter Says:

    I mean come on, no differences in the issues between Barr and McCain? That’s an outright lie.

    Then dispute it.

  100. disinter Says:

    His website puts him on record of non-intervention and he just issues another newsrelease attack the feds for violating personal privacy.

    Big deal. What he says and what he does are two very different things.

    Also, if Barr was just another “neocon” why would he want to split the Republican vote and thus perhaps put Obama in the White House?

    Barf could care less who wins the White House. He is in it for personal gain (see PAC history) and nothing else.

    If you think he has suddenly become such a devout Libertarian, then explain why he is currently funding Republicans that are running against Libertarians?

  101. texpat Says:

    disinter,

    Incrementalism could work fast enough. If Barr got elected and actually managed to cut the budget by a puny 5% a year, then after four years the federal government would be two-thirds of its current size, since we could count on the Fed to create at least 5% inflation.

    After a second term, we’d be down to 43%, a significant improvement.

    Sure, I’d prefer 10%, and I think David Friedman and the Tannehills make some good arguments, but right now all of that is irrelevant.

  102. disinter Says:

    If Barr got elected

    My god, you Barfers live in some bizarre fantasy world. Hope is good, I guess.

  103. Steve M Says:

    From his own biography:

    In 2004, Dondero led the nationwide effort for Libertarians for Bush.

    Could it be that Mr Dondero is here to disable and destroy the Libertarian Party?

  104. dodsworth Says:

    Steve M;

    Dondero doesn’t know what he wants. I think his main goal is to be in a campaign, almost any campaign where he can be regarded as important and a “leader.” He’d be in Libertarians for McCain riight now if other people were in it to do him homage. Unfortunately for him, he was pretty much the one and only member.

  105. dodsworth Says:

    He is in it for personal gain (see PAC history) and nothing else.

    Not a very persuasive argument. The pickings are pretty slim in the LP. Given his big-time connections in the GOP, he could be making a secure, cushy six figure salary as a lobbyist working for the Israel of defense lobbies if he wanted to which would easily exceeed anything he could make by “milking” the LP. By aligning himself the the ACLU, the LP, and daring to a spout a non-interventionist line (since or not), he has burned his bridges to such a career.

  106. disinter Says:

    could be making a secure, cushy six figure salary as a lobbyist working for the Israel of defense lobbies

    Umm, he is pocketing 78% of the donations to his Repug PAC. Try again.

    Not a very persuasive argument.

    Barr is far from stupid, evil -yes, but not stupid:

    http://www.radaronline.com/from-the-magazine/2008/04/presidential_losers_earnings_john_edwards_bob_dole_al_gore_0.php

  107. Steve M Says:

    dodsworth,

    A very insightful statement. So given that Barr has burned his bridges and that the human nature of politicians is to self promote them selves we can expect that he will do everything he can to have the highest vote count of a third party candidate in recent history. It is good that he is motivated. The down side is he may make compromises that hurt the LP in the future.

    I really don’t want to see the Libertarian Party become a wing of the Republican Party unless the Republican Party whole heartedly adapts the positions of the Libertarian Party.

    I don’t think this election will make or break the LP. I hope it grows the party. I hope the party retains its best characteristics its best ideals.

    If the Barr campaign does pull disaffected republican, independents and social libertarians into the party, it will also be interesting to watch the effect on the behavior of the Republican and Democratic Parties.

  108. The Democratic Republican Says:

    Rich Vanier Says:

    May 27th, 2008 at 11:02 pm
    I am new to the Libertarian Party. But, I have figured one thing, Steve Kubby is a “Class Act” No one forced Kubby to write this letter. Kubby is doing what’s best for The Libertarian Party and The Libertarian Movement. Steve Kubby for Governor in 2010. Bravo Steve Kubby.

    Agreed. I’ll send all the dollars I can to Kubby for Governor 2010. I didn’t know much about him aside from his imprisonment but his personal integrity has impressed the hell out of me.

  109. Dean Striker Says:

    Hey friends, get it together! The USA is in moral/economic collapse; the 2-3 stooges of the RepDems along with their media is studiously avoiding that most crucial issue. None of those are much different except in their priorities; none will eliminate programes, reduce spending, or move to fix the fiat dollar. That leaves Barr/Root as a real alternative, but quibbling won’t get it done.

    NOW is the best opportunity ever for the LP to grab that issue and build a real case for rights and freedom. Many of us might have liked a different ticket from the LP, but what we have is far better than what they have.

    FOCUS!

  110. V Says:

    When Root dropped out and it was just Barr and Ruwart, I turned around at told the rest of the Delegation “OK, it’s your choice, your Country, or your Party!”

    You see what the ‘majority’ chose…..

    signed V
    Arizona Delegate

    my Youtubes coming soon!

  111. Michael Seebeck Says:

    Having been around Kubby consistently throughout the convention in the CA delegation, the Radicalz Caucus, and talking to him in person, I can say that not only was he not stoned, he was dead serious and stone-cold sober.

    Kubby’s VP run may have saved the LP. His call for unity is along those lines as well.

    Too bad. The Drug Warrior and the MMJ Advocate on the same ticket would have been an interesting sight…

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