Under New Management

Over the weekend, Third Party Watch was acquired from Stephen Gordon by Richard Viguerie.

Since taking over TPW, Stephen Gordon has done an outstanding job in increasing traffic to the site while creating a fair atmosphere for reporting on third party and independent politics around the nation.

The new owner, Richard Viguerie, intends to continue Stephen’s good work while increasing the functionality of the site and, more importantly, its field of contributors.

TPW will continue to cover the news on various third party and independent candidates as well as views from across the ideological spectrum.

In recent years, Richard has used the Internet to, “fight against the government’s use of power, to fight for individual rights and responsibilities, and to fight to extend the blessings of liberty throughout the world.”

Richard Viguerie, is known as the “funding father” of the modern conservative movement and is the co-author of America’s Right Turn and, more recently, author of Conservatives Betrayed.

Over the coming weeks, the site will be moved to a new server and our technical team will start on many upgrades and improvements.

In the meantime, enjoy the continuing coverage and stay tuned for RNCWatch.com and DNCWatch.com!

156 Responses to “Under New Management”

  1. NewFederalist Says:

    Is this a joke?

  2. Annie Leibowitz Says:

    Rickie’s hot for an old man—and this is coming from a Lezbo. Looking forward to the improved site!

    Love all of you and see you at the party!

    Especially you Starchild! Let’s dresss up the same this time OK?

  3. Susan Hogarth Says:

    Well, looks like the new place for Libertarians to go for Libertarian commentary and discussion will be:

    http://lastfreevoice.wordpress.com/

    I’m sorry for you Greens, but I’m sure there are many fine GP blogs.

  4. Brian Says:

    Stephen Gordon has done an outstanding job in increasing traffic to the site while creating a fair atmosphere for reporting on third party and independent politics around the nation.

    Now THAT”S a joke

  5. Fred Church Ortiz Says:

    I guess this is what happens when you constantly berate a site owner.

    Thanks for everything Stephen, I hope you stick around a bit more than Austin has.

  6. matt Says:

    I think Stephen did a bang-up job on this site.

    Also, this looks like a coup for a movement conservative who has tried to benefit from the Ron Paul Revolution even though he was too timid/calculating to endorse RP himself.

  7. Jonathan Says:

    News from Ballot-access.org:

    The website Third Party Watch has been purchased by Richard Viguerie, effective May 19, 2008. Viguerie has long been interested in political action outside the two major parties, even though he has also been very much involved in Republican Party politics. In 1976 he and others tried to organize a campaign for a conservative revolt against the Republican Party, given that the Republican Party had just rejected Ronald Reagan and instead nominated Gerald Ford. He is the author or co-author of two books, America’s Right Turn and Conservatives Betrayed. The latter book is an attack on the Republican Party.

  8. Stefan Says:

    Susan: we can go to colliething as well? :-)
    Surprising news indeed:

    Richard Viquerie recently started ultimatejohnmccain.com and since the beginning of this year he created: ultimateronpaul.com

    What about ultimatesusanhogarth.com ?

  9. Justin Grover Says:

    Good luck, Mr. Gordon, and thank you for your hard work.

  10. Kenny Says:

    It does not appear to be a joke. Jokes are supposed to funny and this news is not amusing in the slightest. The timing, a few days before the LP convention, stinks.

    The article refers only to ownership. Who is going to edit and manage the site. I would like to know who has ownership of the email addresses of posters. They should not be used to spam posters with messages that promote one or more candidates who is/are favoured by the new owner.

  11. Richard Winger Says:

    Steve Gordon’s ability to find and post videos of candidates has been very helpful and very creative. He really transformed ThirdPartyWatch with all those videos. So, of course, there is no doubt that he has greatly increased viewership for ThirdPartyWatch.

  12. Green in Brooklyn Says:

    there goes the neighborhood

  13. Stefan Says:

    Stephen Gordon has really done an outstanding job and provided tons of info and kept the site very active with various newsarticles of many parties, many newsitems per day. I do not think people really acknowledge this. All some can do is just criticize him. IN his shoes I would have gotten sick and tired of all this constant whining. He was quite fair and is allowed his own opinion and political interest. You will never be able to satisfy everybody.

  14. will Says:

    yeah man, i would much rather have a libertairian on the site, a conservative running this site, say goodbye to most of your LP and GP viewers.

  15. Jerry S. Says:

    This can be a good thing. Everyone has to agree that Barr has received much more coverage here than any other LP candidate recently. With Gordon hoping for a salary through Nov. he doesn’t need to moderate such a sight.

    The world knows where Vigurie stands. Thankfully and hopefully , Richard you have finally realized the GOP isn’t the answer and frankly is part of the PROBLEM. If you can understand the advandage of allowing all third parties to promote their ideas here and elsewhere, it will be good as that is the quickest way to dislodge both the Ds and Rs and the people who pull their triggers. Welcome, and may an “OLD DOG” learn new tricks !

  16. Brooke Says:

    I was doing some searching online of Denver news sources to see if any of them were mentioning the upcoming convention—-Check out www.rockymountainnews.com and click on Rocky Talk Live in the upper right corner.

  17. johncjackson Says:

    What the Fuck
    ?

  18. Open Letter From Don Lake Says:

    Stephen Gordon has done an outstanding job in increasing traffic to the site while creating a fair atmosphere for reporting on third party and independent politics around the nation.

    Now THAT”S a joke

  19. John Campbell Says:

    Thanks for running a great site. Also thanks for the work you did with the LibertarianLists survey’s.

  20. Greg Says:

    Well this is disappointing. I really liked the independent nature of this blog. I hope my email address is not going to be used for fund raising requests from the pro-War, pro-establishment candidates that Viguerie supports. Hopefully something will emerge soon that will take the place of TPW.

  21. It needs to be said... Says:

    IMPORTANT:

    the new owner made his fortune in direct mail. There’s a really good chance that we’ll start getting his spam if we use our real email addresses on this site now that he’s the owner, so it would be wise not to.

  22. disinter Says:

    BOOOOOO!

  23. David F. Nolan Says:

    Well, this explains why Tom Knapp’s article linking to an unfavorable story about Bob Barr was deleted almost immediately. From now on, only FAVORABLE pieces about Barr will be appearing on TPW.

    http://www.ajc.com/search/content/metro/stories/2008/05/18/barr.html

  24. disinter Says:

    Meanwhile: Tucker Carlson to seek LP nomination?

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/021055.html

  25. Timothy Yung Says:

    Are you kidding me?

  26. Fred Church Ortiz Says:

    That’s pretty trippy disinter.

  27. G.E. Says:

    I wonder how much arbitrage Gordon made flipping the site from Austin to Viguerie? I don’t think Viguerie deals in small sums.

    Congratulations to S.G. on the windfall.

  28. Stefan Says:

    disinter: a huge rumor. He could play another role with the LP though, maybe file as candidate for congress?

  29. disinter Says:

    Thus the reason the anti-Barr article was removed today. The purge has just accelerated.

  30. Stefan Says:

    interesting article on Barr’s PAC in ajc. His use of the funds to contribute part to Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians (and not Libertarians only) is probably because most contributions were from Republicans, and they probably asked/expected him to contribute it to Republicans.
    Paul also mentioned the expensive fund raising costs and that it took him a year before to raise a 1 USD, now with he internet the cost to raise is almost zero and he can raise 1 million in a day (for his congressional seat after he wrote a letter), not to mention the 4 and 6 m USD a day money bombs.

  31. disinter Says:

    stay tuned for RNCWatch.com and DNCWatch.com!

    How about a LNCWatch.com?

  32. disinter Says:

    Folks this is part of a concerted effort to purge the LP of “purists” or “radicals” and turn the party into the next GOP. So much for a big tent.

  33. disinter Says:

    Articles have already been censored. Next will be comments. Welcome to the next RedState.

  34. Stefan Says:

    disinter: did you see this article?
    dougwead.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/how-a-gop-conspiracy-continues-to-cheat-ron-paul

    and listened to the C Span conference and question on Ron Paul’s new book? Ivan Eland from the Independence Institute (he was with CATO earlier) and a supporter and adviser of Paul, asked him about the future of the movement, given the fact
    that both parties are now big government. The last limited one was with Calvin Coolidge (whom Paul has described once in a radio interview as one of his favorite presidents). You should listen to it, he mentioned the CP, LP and his efforts to bring the GOP back to its roots.

  35. Susan Hogarth Says:

    His use of the funds to contribute part to Republicans, Democrats, Libertarians (and not Libertarians only) is probably because most contributions were from Republicans, and they probably asked/expected him to contribute it to Republicans.

    At the risk of sounding rude: well, duh.

    The question you now need to ask is why was someone serving as a representative of the Libertarian Party on its national board writing letters to Republicans, asking them to help him fund Republicans?

  36. Jerry S. Says:

    David F. Nolan Says:

    May 19th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
    Well, this explains why Tom Knapp’s article linking to an unfavorable story about Bob Barr was deleted almost immediately. From now on, only FAVORABLE pieces about Barr will be appearing on TPW.

    http://www.ajc.com/search/content/metro/stories/2008/05/18/barr.html

    ***
    This my friends is nothing more than FRAUD on the weak ELDERLY. Almost as bad as kitty porn people !

  37. Donny Ferguson Says:

    Glad to hear Richard Viguerie is on board. Few people know how to win political fights better than Mr. Viguerie and the libertarian movement is now much better off with him on our side.

  38. Fred Church Ortiz Says:

    “Folks this is part of a concerted effort to purge the LP of “purists” or “radicals” and turn the party into the next GOP. ”

    By buying a blog that “purists” and “radicals” were already accusing of doing just that anyway?

  39. disinter Says:

    Stefan - good article. That same thing is happening in the LP as we speak.

  40. Kenny Says:

    “Well, this explains why Tom Knapp’s article linking to an unfavorable story about Bob Barr was deleted almost immediately. From now on, only FAVORABLE pieces about Barr will be appearing on TPW.

    http://www.ajc.com/search/content/metro/stories/2008/05/18/barr.html”

    Is Barr the new Harry Browne? That article read like a Bumper Hornberger trashing of Browne, Willis, Cloud and their cronies.

  41. disinter Says:

    By buying a blog that “purists” and “radicals” were already accusing of doing just that anyway?

    Duh.

    “Well, this explains why Tom Knapp’s article linking to an unfavorable story about Bob Barr was deleted almost immediately. From now on, only FAVORABLE pieces about Barr will be appearing on TPW.” - David Nolan

    http://www.ajc.com/search/content/metro/stories/2008/05/18/barr.html

  42. disinter Says:

    Good lord the retard caucus is taking over the LP and has now bought TPW

    It’s time to take a second look at the Boston Tea Party.

  43. Fred Church Ortiz Says:

    Knapp’s article is back up on [email protected]

  44. Kenny Says:

    “Few people know how to win political fights better than Mr. Viguerie and the libertarian movement is now much better off with him on our side.”

    Where’s the proof that he is on “our side”? He could be planning to talk up Baldwin if Ruwart or Gravel gets the LP nomination. I smell rat, a big stinking one!

  45. Steve LaBianca Says:

    Stephen, I think you did a very commendable job.

    Now at least I know why the exposure of Barr with Tom Knapp headlining the Atlanta Journal-Constitution article was put up temporarily, and then taken down.

    More proof of Republicans wanting to squash anything that shine the light on their anointed Republicans and the takeover of the LP.

    I am also going to voice my dissatisfaction with a Republican operative in the name of Richard Viguerie as the LP’s keynote speaker . . . not a good move by the convention committee, or whoever decided this.

  46. Fred Church Ortiz Says:

    Well that link went to hell, here.

  47. disinter Says:

    [Note: I wrote this post for Third Party Watch earlier this morning. I posted it, and it was almost immediately removed to “draft” status, while I was still working some of the kinks out, and my posting privileges were moderated to keep me from putting it back up. As it happened, TPW had been sold to Bob Barr’s campaign finance guru, Richard Viguerie, effective this morning. Whether the transition in general, or the content of the article, were at issue I still don’t know - [email protected]]

    http://knappster.blogspot.com/2008/05/ajc-columnists-slam-barr-on-pac.html

  48. NewFederalist Says:

    Since reading Richard Viguerie’s latest book I don’t think his acquisition of this site is necessarily bad. If this site ever had any meaningful content from the Greens or various socialist parties (which it didn’t) you can probably kiss that good-bye. I would guess the trolls who like to shock everyone with their insipid vulgarity may be unwelcome but other than that I am just going to take a wait and see attitude. Perhaps, as another poster suggested, Mr. Viguerie has finally decided there really is no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans. This might be a good thing for those who believe a third party is needed but see its promise somewhere between the perceived dope smoking, NAMBLA loving, open borders, poor haters of the LP and the bible thumping, abortion never for any reason, morality police theocrats of the CP. I’m willing to give it a try.

  49. Thomas L. Knapp Says:

    disinter,

    You write:

    Folks this is part of a concerted effort to purge the LP of “purists” or “radicals” and turn the party into the next GOP. So much for a big tent.

    We disagree often, but this time please let the disagreement be disagreeable.

    I disagree. This may aid the attempt to purge the LP of “purists” or “radicals,” but that’s incidental to its real purpose.

    In my opinion, what we’re seeing here is not ideological, it’s opportunistic, like Viguerie’s attempted takeover of the AIP in 1976 or Buchanan’s successful takeover of the Reform Party in 2000.

    Yes, they (Viguerie, Verney, Barr as the horse) intend to replace our ideology with theirs, but not as a matter of principle to build a party on. This is a one-off. If they prevail in Denver, they’ll use the LP’s ballot access, accomplish whatever they think they’re going to accomplish this fall, and then throw the LP in the trash like a used (and for what I won’t say) tissue.

    As a side note, here’s the magic disappearing article.

  50. Steve LaBianca Says:
    1. It needs to be said… Says:
      May 19th, 2008 at 1:02 pm

    IMPORTANT:

    the new owner made his fortune in direct mail. There’s a really good chance that we’ll start getting his spam if we use our real email addresses on this site now that he’s the owner, so it would be wise not to.

    I will ignore anything Viguerie sends me.

    I am not a Republican. I am not a conservative. Libertarianism is NOT a subset of conservatism, nor is it a subset of modern liberalism . . . though libertarianism is related to classical liberal thought.

  51. disinter Says:

    I am also going to voice my dissatisfaction with a Republican operative in the name of Richard Viguerie as the LP’s keynote speaker . . . not a good move by the convention committee, or whoever decided this.

    You have to be shitting me! This puzzle is far too easy to put together. Purge, anyone?

  52. disinter Says:

    If they prevail in Denver, they’ll use the LP’s ballot access, accomplish whatever they think they’re going to accomplish this fall, and then throw the LP in the trash like a used (and for what I won’t say) tissue.

    I hope you are right.

  53. disinter Says:

    Well shit, let’s just turn the LP over to Republicans completey… shall we? We have Barr inserted into the LNC, then conveniently decides to run for Prez, TPW owned by a Barr staffer (and now another one) gives the false appearance that Barr is somehow the second coming of Christ and now Viguerie has been inserted into the convention speaking agenda?

    I guess Ron Paul really did scare the hell out of the establishment.

  54. Stefan Says:

    disinter: IMHO ex-NM gov. Gary Johnson and Dr. Karen Kwiatkowski would be ideal candidates (also as a ticket) for the LP. Johnson is know as “Gary veto” for his strong stance against the war on drugs and was a very popular gov (2 terms) and is still young and has a business, thus good on economy, among others. He endorsed our Dr. No, as you know. Kwiatkowski is also know outside the LP and her foreign policy and security expertise would be widely sought and has not only endorsed, but was also active int he Paul campaign. Nice audio interviews with her at antiwar.

    Susan, hmmm would you agree with the above? Hope to find some common ground with the “tough and smart cookie” (that is perhaps not as sweet as Mary Ruwart…) :-)

  55. disinter Says:

    Stefan - I most definitely agree with you re Dr. Karen Kwiatkowski. A little late for this year though…

  56. Steve LaBianca Says:

    I am sure that to the delight of many, I will no longer be posting here.

    The conservatives and reformers (now I ought to add Donny Ferguson to that list. . . I know Donny from my years in Virginia) can just talk amongst themselves, telling each other how great it is being a conservative in libertarian garb.

    My silence on anything tearing into Steve Kubby and Mary Ruwart from those who remain to post here, is not my acceptance of it!

    I’ll make sure the door doesn’t hit me in the ass as I leave!

    Adios!

  57. disinter Says:

    I am sure that to the delight of many, I will no longer be posting here.

    Not to mine. Please stay… at least until they start censoring the comments as well.

  58. Kenny Says:

    “In my opinion, what we’re seeing here is not ideological, it’s opportunistic, like Viguerie’s attempted takeover of the AIP in 1976 or Buchanan’s successful takeover of the Reform Party in 2000.

    Yes, they (Viguerie, Verney, Barr as the horse) intend to replace our ideology with theirs, but not as a matter of principle to build a party on. This is a one-off. If they prevail in Denver, they’ll use the LP’s ballot access, accomplish whatever they think they’re going to accomplish this fall, and then throw the LP in the trash like a used (and for what I won’t say) tissue.”

    That is a very good analysis. The LP is being taken over by disaffected Republican conservatives. It may be money rather than votes that they after - see my earlier Harry Browne analogy. An LP controlled by Barr/Verney/Barr could be used to shakedown Ron Paul donors. Barr already has Paul’s web team and I got an email from the Paul webmaster seeking money for Barr. Acquiring this site provides another email list. Come back Bumper, your party needs you!

  59. Red Phillips Says:

    I agree with whoever said Vig should have gotten off the pot and endorsed Ron Paul. Vig has come out for non-intervention. At first I thought that was his hold-up. So what was his hold up then? He didn’t want to back a loser?

    Is Vig officially in Barr’s camp? Why not Baldwin?

  60. disinter Says:

    It may be money rather than votes that they after

    Obviously. They sure as hell aren’t going to get enough votes to write home about.

  61. Steve Perkins Says:

    I can’t help but note that out of 58 comments at the time of this writing, 15 of those were posted by disinter (over one-fourth). Almost all of them were redundant, and almost all of them have torn Richard Viguerie to shreds more or less on a personal level…

    ...and not a single one of them has been deleted.

  62. disinter Says:

    nd almost all of them have torn Richard Viguerie to shreds

    I am sorry you can’t help yourself (or read), but only two of my posts mentioned Richard Viguerie and one of those was quoting someone else.

    Nice red herring though.

  63. Chuck Moulton Says:

    Steve,

    Thanks for keeping Third Party Watch full of interesting stories while you were in charge. This has been my most frequently checked website the past few months.

    Richard,

    I look forward to seeing how Third Party Watch will be run going forward.

  64. disinter Says:

    Bravo GE!

  65. RichVigIsntGettingMyEmailAddress Says:

    G.E., Does this mean that you don’t consider Steve Gordon a “quality journalist”?

  66. Stefan Says:

    Viquerie called on the GOP congress to all resign and be replaced by young limited govt. candidates. I think with the move of the GOP to big govt., the cost and quagmire of the war etc. he decided the gOP is not necessary his only “home” anymore.

    Red Phillips yes, I totally agree with you, Viquerie could have endorsed Paul officially in January when he released the unveiling of ultimateronpaul dot com, but stop short of that. Paul is able to “unify” the CP and LP in that he is acceptable (to a certain extent) to both parties and is also a member of both. Howard Phillips (your father or family?) wanted Buchanan earlier to be leader and also Paul. Buchanan is a conservative, while Paul is a conservative-libertarian. I know Phillips voted for Paul on the LP ticket in 1988.

  67. Fred Church Ortiz Says:

    Good stuff GE.

  68. Steve Perkins Says:

    I’m starting a TPW alternative, IndependentPoliticalReport.com. Knapp has agreed to come along.

    Sure, guys… why not go ahead and join the Boston Tea Party while you’re at it. When the overwhelming majority of your posts to a blog are about how badly it sucks and everything its owners are about is crap, the discussion isn’t harmed much by a threat to leave. The real threat is that you ultimately won’t.

    I’ll see you back here same time next week (if not tomorrow).

  69. G.E. Says:

    Steve Perkins - No threat.

  70. Thomas L. Knapp Says:

    RVIGMEA,

    Whether or not Gordon is a “quality journalist” isn’t an issue. He sold TPW, it’s not under his management any more, and I doubt he’ll continue to be involved with it at all.

    When I discussed the matter on the phone with him, he said essentially that it was a combination of a financial offer he found attractive, and the fact that he’s sick of being called a neocon smearbund artist or whatever when he’s kept the site open to all third parties and all candidates.

    Apparently Gordon’s skin is thinner than mine—call me whatever you like as long as you spell my name right—but I believe he had a point. Granted, the LP and the CP had more representation here, but that seems to have been because nobody joined the writer stable with a burning desire to cover the Greens et al. Gordon made up for that as possible by posting releases, etc., himself. And frankly, he took shit for it that he shouldn’t have put up with.

    There was certainly a pro-Barr tilt under Gordon there at the last, but that strikes me as mostly a function of him being the site’s most frequent poster, who was hooked into the Barr campaign and kept a close eye on it, than a function of his ownership of the site. He never 86ed an article of mine, and several of them were at odds with his own opinion. No reason he should minimize his posting of pro-Barr stuff just because the rest of us weren’t keeping up with equal helpings of other material.

    My opinion is that Viguerie bought TPW when he did he did for one reason and one reason only: It’s indexed in Google News, which gives it a fairly bully pulpit, and he wanted to close that pulpit to anything that might damage the Barr campaign going into the LP national convention. I don’t blame him. This is hardball.

    As far as why Gordon sold it, I assume he’ll be eating prime rib and drinking expensive bourbon a few times on the deal. I don’t blame him, either. Wish I could get some of that action.

  71. Fred Church Ortiz Says:

    Have you guys (posters) gotten any word from Viguerie yourselves?

  72. Susan Hogarth Says:

    Apparently Gordon’s skin is thinner than mine—call me whatever you like as long as you spell my name right…

    Will do, Napp.

  73. Robert Milnes Says:

    I must say this buy of TPW by Viguerie is very disquieting and suspicious. However I personally have not been censored…yet. G.E. Good man. May I partake of the new promising festivities? Tom, if I win the nomination there will be a spot as lucrative as possible for you.

  74. Thomas L. Knapp Says:

    Bob,

    I’ll go right out today and see if I can secure a line of credit on the prospect that you’ll be the nominee ;-)

  75. Kenny Says:

    “My opinion is that Viguerie bought TPW when he did he did for one reason and one reason only: It’s indexed in Google News, which gives it a fairly bully pulpit, and he wanted to close that pulpit to anything that might damage the Barr campaign going into the LP national convention. I don’t blame him. This is hardball.”

    That’s a very perceptive and illuminating post from Mr Knapp!

  76. Open Letter From Don Lake Says:

    Thomas L. Knapp: A little self interest can be good for society/ community! And I sure wish you could put some of your bourban swilling Stephen Gordon butt kissing energy into spot lighting abuse of veterans and their families!

    [Ya know, like you, Kubby, and the Missouri State Libertarian chair PROMISED: Concurrent Conscript; ‘Fares’ Doctrine; unfair divorce guidelines; lethal veterans homes!]

    Richard Viguerie: the 2008 Patrick and Bay Buchanan Trojan Horse Award!

  77. Kenny Says:

    Where’s Dondero? Has he served his purpose and gone off to troll elsewhere?

  78. Steve Perkins Says:

    My opinion is that Viguerie bought TPW when he did he did for one reason and one reason only: It’s indexed in Google News, which gives it a fairly bully pulpit, and he wanted to close that pulpit to anything that might damage the Barr campaign going into the LP national convention.”

    I hate to state the obvious, but the LP convention starts in 72 hours (preliminary activities are underway in Denver NOW). I, like most other delegates, am currently packing my bags… and will be more concerned with what’s happening on the floor than I will be with what people are posting to TPW from their recliners. I think many people here VASTLY overstate the importance of a blog that’s less than 3 years old (and was already owned by a well-known Barr partisan to begin with).

    If anyone wanted to “pave the way” for Barr’s nomination by ridding the Internet of dissent… the time to do that was a month ago, and it would have taken significantly more money (if it had been possible at all). I think it’s clear that IF the new owner plans to take a more active role in steering the content of the site, it’s with the general election in mind rather than a contest scheduled for this weekend. Honestly, if there’s any dirt on Barr that HASN’T been disseminated by this point (ad nauseum), you waited too long.

  79. Ross Says:

    Thank you, Stephen Gordon, for providing a great news source. I’m pretty new to the site, but I still appreciate what you’ve done. Hope the site retains its high quality with its new management.

    A suggestion for improvement, though: More coverage of parties other than the Libertarian Party, and more coverage of independents, please!

  80. Brian Miller Says:

    let’s just turn the LP over to Republicans completey… shall we?

    Uhhh. . . remind me again. What party did Ron Paul campaign with, and what party were you trying to get Ron Paul named as the nominee of again?

    Surreality is an amazing thing.

  81. disinter Says:

    and he wanted to close that pulpit to anything that might damage the Barr campaign going into the LP national convention.

    My point exactly.

    Kudos to Gordon for being fair, balanced and open while owning TPW. I hope it stays that way.

  82. disinter Says:

    What party did Ron Paul campaign with, and what party were you trying to get Ron Paul named as the nominee of again?

    That would be the Republican party. You Outright Liber-Nazis are well known for living under rocks and all, but that one isn’t pretty obvious.

  83. disinter Says:

    isn’t = is

  84. Brian Miller Says:

    So basically, the Republican Party is BAAAAD… except when Mike Nelson thinks it’s good.

    Clear as mud, as always.

    Carry on.

  85. disinter Says:

    Miller - there is a difference between the LP and GOP… That is, unless you and your Outright Liber-Nazi cirlce jerk and the rest of the retard caucus succeed in hijacking it.

  86. Sean Says:

    I thought Don Lake liked Patrick and Bay Buchanan…

  87. Brian Miller Says:

    Yeah, Nelson, because Outright’s position is identical to the Republicans’. You really got us there.

  88. Michael H. Wilson Says:

    Well Mr. Gordon it was nice to have had the opportunity.

    Thanks for the work.

    MHW

  89. MARY/NAMBLA '08 Says:

    SCREW GORDON! WE WANT MARY! WE WANT MARY! WE WANT MARY!

  90. Open Letter From Don Lake Says:

    Sean: I have never, never, never, ever said one nice thing about the Donnie and Marie of 21st Century American politics! I never liked him, even before the 2000 FEC strong box robbery! I get physically ill viewing him on McCloughland Group and Cross Fire and Meet the Press!

    What have you been smoking? If Steve Kubby, my class mate Tom Knapp, or Steve ‘Sold Out’ Gordon is your ‘connection’ may I suggest a change in ‘retail outlets’? May be stogies from Texas via Governor Kinky Friedman?

  91. Hugh Jass Says:

    Good luck with your next project, Mr. Gordon.

  92. Thomas L. Knapp Says:

    “Where’s Dondero? Has he served his purpose and gone off to troll elsewhere?”

    He’s gathering petition signatures in Illinois for LP ballot access.

  93. Steven R Linnabary Says:

    I had to check my calender, but it isn’t April Fool’s Day.

    I didn’t start coming here until after Mr. Gordon took over the site. I thought he did a fantastic job of seeking out news from some of the more obscure candidates, factions and political parties.

    I hope the new owner is at least as diligent in his stewardship of this fine site.

    Good luck to you, Mr. Gordon!!

    PEACE
    Steve

  94. David F. Nolan Says:

    So what happens when Barr DOESN’T win the nomination, which is quite likely?

  95. Viverrid Says:

    Posted at Ballot Access News:

    Shane Cory begins working for Richard Viguerie:

    http://www.ballot-access.org/2008/05/19/former-libertarian-party-national-director-begins-working-for-richard-viguerie/

  96. Robert Milnes Says:

    David F. Nolan, that’s when Tom K. joins my presidential campaign & buys TPW from Viguerie.

  97. Robert Milnes Says:

    Milnes/Ruwart.

  98. Jason Says:

    Click on my name…

  99. Red Phillips Says:

    Is it official that Vig is working with Barr? Any links? If so, why the Vig love for Barr vs. Baldwin.

  100. John C. Jackson Says:

    is Baldwin a GOP Congressman?

  101. Austin Cassidy Says:

    Wow.

  102. BillTx Says:

    Thanks for everything, Stephen!

  103. Mike Gravel Fan Says:

    Congrats Richard V.

    Stephen You did a great job with the site. Excellent coverage of the Green Party , and various Independent Green candidates across the country.

    The Draft Michael Bloombeg, and Ron Paul Independent Green effort.

    Richard we look forward to your coverage of the Green Party.

    This is exciting news and fun…!!

  104. Red Phillips Says:

    “is Baldwin a GOP Congressman?”

    No, but Baldwin is closer to what I assume Vig believes. Barr has gone soft on immigration recently for example.

  105. disinter Says:

    So what happens when Barr DOESN’T win the nomination, which is quite likely?

    That would be sweet justice. The retard caucus aligned with the establishment has invested a great deal of time, money and other resources on this scheme (taking over Reason, implanting Barr, Gravel and Viguerie, Stewart Flood’s complicity and Cory’s sudden employment by Vig, buying TPW and on and on). Oh how I hope Barr loses… by a HUGE margin.

  106. disinter Says:

    It appears the “New Management” is Shane Cory:

    http://disinter.wordpress.com/2008/05/19/leaked-tpw-being-censored-by-shane-cory/

  107. Stewart Flood Says:

    Disinter,

    I have no financial or other connection with TPW, Richard Viguerie or Shane Cory. As you may recall, I was FIRED by Shane Cory a few months ago.

    I have no complicity in whatever scheme (either real or imagined) that you have cooked up in your twisted little mind. Personally, I can’t see how TPW could possibly be part of a plot. If it were to become a right-wing soap box, Libertarians and others would stop reading it.

  108. disinter Says:

    Flood, you are directly involved in this scheme and you know it.

    http://disinter.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/lnc-further-marginalizes-itself/

  109. disinter Says:

    Behind Flood’s motive:

    http://novus2.com/wordpress/?p=1480

  110. disinter Says:

    More:

    http://www.colliething.com/2006/12/bob-barr-appointed-to-lnc.html

  111. Stewart Flood Says:

    Nice try, but you’re way off base. But that’s about what I’d expect from someone who’s too chicken to use his real name when he (or she) posts on TPW.

  112. disinter Says:

    Fllood, hunni, my real name is plastered all over this blog.

  113. Catholic Trotskyist Says:

    I doubt anyone cares, but I want to let everyone know that I have not been purged yet. I hadn’t posted here earlier because I was busy with final exams and playing guitar with my friends. I am certainly concerned that this is part of the Bush/Rodham/Nader/McCain conspiracy to destroy God’s strategy, the Fringe Alliance strategy, and to destroy the Obama World Socialist Revolution. If there is a purge, it is likely that I will be purged first, before my radical libertarian and right-wing libertarian/constitutionalist critics. There are more than two factions on this site; always remember that. If I am purged first, will anyone speak in my defense, to let everyone know that purges will not be tolerated?

  114. Catholic Trotskyist Says:

    I would also like to say that Stephen Gordon did a great job with this site. I am very, very far from him politically, but I have much respect for him anyway. I hope that I will be able to say the same for Viguerie.

  115. Catholic Trotskyist Says:

    Glory to God in the highest and peace to God’s people on Earth.

    God bless the pope, god bless Mike Huckabee, god bless Jeremiah Wright, amen.

  116. Susan Hogarth Says:

    Don’t be too sure Stewart is in on the take, here. He managed to alienate just about everyone in the past year.

    Poor Stewart is pretty much on the outs with everyone now :-/

  117. Kevin Thompson Says:

    I read Conservatives Betrayed (and liked it), but Vigurie made it point to say he believes it would be a mistake to go the third party route. Is he now reconsidering, or is this an attempt to squash third parties?

  118. Nexus Says:

    “So what happens when Barr DOESN’T win the nomination, which is quite likely?”

    Then you will see his true level of commitment to the LP.

  119. Schmoe Says:

    Vigurie will do what the folks at Unity 08 tried to do. Mock our displeasure with the establishment while serving up a diversion. Didn’t work then. Now sad to say TPW will disappear as a useful 3rd party tool…

  120. disinter Says:

    Is he now reconsidering, or is this an attempt to squash third parties?

    The later.

    Mock our displeasure with the establishment while serving up a diversion.

    Yep.

  121. Clark Says:

    disinter wrote: “..Please stay… at least until they start censoring the comments as well.”..(END)

    ...i bet they don’t start chucking thinking/aware people, en masse, until at least AFTER LP CON 2008..it’s been my experience word spreads quickly in ‘libertarian’ circles..and viguerie probably ALREADY had a few convention boos coming..so steady at the tiller..at least for awhile..

    ...one hopes the apparent republican/conservative rumpswab and monetary ignoramus, viguerie, keeps as open a site (apparently) as republican-leaning rumpswab ;o) gordon!..

    ...but don’t bet your sweet bippy on it!.. ;o)

    DOES ANYONE KNOW OF ANY HONEST, OPEN, ACTIVE, UNMODERATED, POLITICAL DISCUSSION FORUMS WHEREBY ALL USERS ARE TREATED EQUALLY? (as to thread-posting/starting etc..)

    I HAVEN’T FOUND ONE YET IN THE WHOLE WORLD WIDE WEB..

    (exposing republicrats, money ignoramusses, etc. is a passion of mine but it seems nearly every stinking site is owned and operated by stinking republicrats who quickly purge the likes of CLARK) ;o)

  122. Shut up Says:

    Quit yer yelping. Nothing other than a transfer of ownership has happened yet. Do you think Vigurie is going to attempt to sink an investment by driving away the readership? If so, I say “put up or shut up.” Show me the vast conspiracy against TPW. I want memos, affidavits, photos, et cetera. We have enough private investigators and skiptracers within our ranks to do a thorough investigation.

    Again, nothing has really happened yet, so keep those cum-stained keyboards in your parents’ basements quiet for the time being, my petulant libertard brethren.

  123. Sean Scallon Says:

    Stephen’s done an outstanding job with TPW and that’s probably what attracted Vigurie in the place to this site. TPW is successful because it has become THE place for non-amjor party news along with Ballot-Access News

    However, I would be very disappointed if covereage of leftist parties was dropped due to Mr. Vigurie’s ideology. This is after all, Third Party Watch. Non-major parties cover the gamut of the political spectrum and I’m just as interested in what the Greens are doing or even some socialist splinter group even though I don’t share their views.

    After all, we all have one thing in common:We’re all fighting against the same levaiathan major party system. Let’s keep the information flowing on TPW instead of using for petty agendas.

  124. Open Letter From Don Lake Says:

    Sean Scallon: Ditto, right down to the punctuation!

  125. Open Letter From Don Lake Says:

    Dear Shut Up: I, Donald Raymond Lake, of San Diego County, in the Republic of California, do hereby submit the following to be factual to the best of my believe and ability, under the laws of the United States of America and the rules of perjury.

    From the very start of the grossly misnamed ‘Third Party Watch’ blog spot I have communicated my alarm that the content was greatly skewed to ‘the right’. I have emailed, [voice mail] phoned, and mailed my complaints [along with leads to ‘leftist’ and ‘Radical Middle’ individuals and organizations] on an ongoing basis to both FLorida and ALabama! I sent pre stamped, pre addressed post cards and envelopes as response vehicles. NOT ONCE WAS THERE ANY REPLY!

    So say I, electronically, on this 20th day of May, 2008, /s/ Don Lake

  126. Donny Ferguson Says:

    Am I the only one who sees in the inherent silliness in a supposed master conspiracy to seize control of the Libertarian Party…by a transfer in ownership of an unrelated Internet blog?

    Does that mean Hillary Clinton could have saved all the money and just handed herself the Democrat nomination by becoming the admin of BushSucks.blogspot.com?

  127. Open Letter From Don Lake Says:

    More of the lack of straight shooting on ‘Fake Third Party Watch’!

    This following information has been available to whom ever is the webmaster of the Austin Cassidy/ Stephen Gordon site and it only took a day for other blog to post! I mean while Fake Third Party Watch ignores this follow GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY in the Great Lakes area others are promoting this narrow window of promise for non Democans!

    ” Special Election for Ohio Attorney General

    Ohio holds a special election for Attorney General in November 2008.

    Independent candidates must file 750 valid signatures by May 27 (Tuesday).

    Any resident of Ohio who is a U.S. citizen age 18 or over may qualify.

    Candidates need not be attorneys.

    The Republican and Democratic Parties will nominate for this office by party meeting. There is no primary for them, for this office, since this year’s primary was already held, back in March 2008. There is no procedure for a new or previously unqualified party to name a nominee (other than using the independent petition, which doesn’t permit a partisan label on the ballot).”

  128. Arizona Indie Says:

    So much for Third Party Watch being worth anything from here on out. Thanks for once being a worthwhile source of information.

  129. Chris Campbell Says:

    So a Neocon enabler and Bush lover now runs this site. Yup, a lot of independant news for sure!! No wodner the LP is all over this site with multiple, repetitive posts (Boortz is supposedly a LPer)

  130. hlm Says:

    Gordon was pimping for Barr here. Viguerie is involved closely with Barr’s takeover of the LP. Gordon helped them in their takeover. It certainly looks like this “purchase” is a way of paying Gordon for helping Barr and Viguerie turn the LP into a conservative party by betraying it from within.

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