Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin and the elusive Ron Paul endorsement everyone keeps speculating about

From David Weigel at Reason:

I saw Ron Paul on Wednesday, at a signing event for The Revolution, and he told me he won’t endorse Baldwin or Barr. He’ll kinda-sorta endorse both. He won’t stop them from using photos of him or talking about his campaign.

“Chuck was in my office today to say hello,” Paul said. “but I haven’t said anything about supporting either one of them. I support both of them in what they’re doing, and I encourage them, but that’s all.”

“Maybe you’ll endorse McCain and surprise everybody,” asked one of the people walking out of the event with us. “That would surprise me, too!” said Paul. But this is actually a sticking point in the Paul campaign: Some people in his circle want him to swing his weight behind McCain once the primaries are over. At the moment, they’re being overruled.

32 Responses to “Bob Barr, Chuck Baldwin and the elusive Ron Paul endorsement everyone keeps speculating about”

  1. G.E. Says:

    Baldwin’s nomination closed the door on any Ron Paul endorsements, in my opinion. He will not endorse the LP candidate when Baldwin is on the CP line. And even if the LP nominates W.A.R. or Phillies, I can’t see Ron Paul endorsing Baldwin unless Baldwin goes the extra mile to downplay religion in his campaign. So far, Baldwin seems to be angling in this direction, but his party’s platform is so egregiously unlibertarian, it would be difficult for Paul to endorse its standardbearer.

  2. Craig M. Says:

    A neutral stance is better for Baldwin than Paul picking someone else. Trent, I am not following the LP that closely, but was wondering if you could provide a summary of which LP pres. candidates are closest to the CP, which ones are true to the LP stance, and which have gone beyond (to the left of) the LP and are not representative of the LP. As a CP member, I do sometimes vote for LP candidates (like I may for Andy Hornung (Gov) this November, but am hoping for Chuck’s sake that the LP goes left, way left.

  3. disinter Says:

    Why the hell would he endorse a bunch of idiots running a in race they can’t possibly win? That would be just about as stupid as him running as a 3rd party candidate himself.

  4. G.E. Says:

    disinter - Um, Ron Paul never had a chance of winning either. What should he do? Endorse Barack Obama? He’s the only one with any chance of winning.

  5. disinter Says:

    What should he do? Endorse Barack Obama?

    Why would he endorse Osama? He is just another establishment candidate that goes against everything Ron Paul stands for.

    He should continue endorsing quality Ron Paul Candidates like he has been.

  6. disinter Says:
    • candidates in races that can actually be won.
  7. disinter Says:

    well that is a cool way to quote something.

    I meant to add: candidates in races that can actually be won.

  8. SovereignMN Says:

    “But this is actually a sticking point in the Paul campaign: Some people in his circle want him to swing his weight behind McCain once the primaries are over. ”

    Who are these morons in his circle?

  9. disinter Says:

    Who are these morons in his circle?

    Ron Paul isn’t one to be influenced by “his circle”. I learned this mid-2007. He is purely his own man.

  10. Red Phillips Says:

    I Ron Paul endorses McCain I think I will slash my wrists.

  11. Steve LaBianca Says:

    No doubt, Baldwin and Barr (If he jumps in AND he gets the nomination)
    will SAY they are endorsed by Paul.

    Mary Ruwart, until and unless she actually WAS endorsed, she will be truthful and say that Ron Paul endorsed her book, and wrote a letter to GWB, recommending that he nominate Mary Ruwart to the FDA commissioner position.

  12. Sean Scallon Says:

    Tell the people “in his circle” who want RP to endorse McCain to kindly leave that circle. No speaking slot at the convention is worth such a sell-out.

    There’s nothing to endorse. McCain is not a conservative nor libertarian, he is a right-wing social democrat. What would be the point?

  13. Stefan Says:

    He will continue with the campaign and also campaign and endorse more candidates and raise money IMHO. We will see what happens at the RNC. I do not see him endorsing anyone formally outside the GOP and he will most certainly NOT endorse McCain (unless McCain endorses an epiphany). Some in the GOP have even threatened to kick him out of the GOP should he endorse say Barr for instance. Why should he endorse another part candidate if he is still running? There is still a theoretical chance there may be a brokered convention. In case not and in case the GOP is so stupid to nominate McCain, maybe Paul would endorse one or more candidates, or he may do so “informally”, but not “formally”.

    Steve, yes I also think Baldwin, Barr and Ruwart would be on his list, not sure about the other LP candidates. Barr is probably the closest to the CP.

  14. John Lowell Says:

    Ron Paul is a schmegeggie, and his “sought after” endorsement a kind of consolation prize. With this pitiful display, Baldwin proves himself only a most obsequeous eel. Are we now to count him a closet Paul bitter-ender, one would almost have to think so. I mean this is Ron Paul, folks, 2008’s gutless wonder, not some latter day Churchill. So far and very much to his credit, Barr has had the self-respect to avoid entering upon this kind of lickspittle. The last thing he needs is to be seen as a replacement of sorts for Paul.

  15. NewFederalist Says:

    Very well said, John Lowell, very well said indeed. Totally wrong but well said. You probably have a real future in… something.

  16. -J- Says:

    lol New Federalist

  17. JT Says:

    Weigel: “But this is actually a sticking point in the Paul campaign: Some people in his circle want him to swing his weight behind McCain once the primaries are over. At the moment, they’re being overruled.”

    I assume that people in Paul’s campaign told Weigel this directly. But if that’s true, I don’t understand it. What do they think Paul could possibly gain by endorsing McCain? One speech at the upcoming GOP convention, which he may get anyway? It’s not like Paul would become McCain’s VP nominee or the House GOP leader if he did that. Nor will it lead to any of his bills getting passed. And most Republicans would continue to feel either negatively or apathetic toward Paul regardless. At the same time, I have to believe that libertarians and constitutionalists who support Paul would feel betrayed and angered by such an endorsement. I don’t see the big upside.

  18. Harold Says:

    The Republican machine will not let Ron Paul speak at the National Convention. No way. Period. They will ignore him.

  19. John Lowell Says:

    New Federalist,

    Atta guy, New Federalist! We can sure see that you’re a Ron Paul bitter-ender trustee, a sho-nuff Revolutionary, convinced in your heart that Ron still has a chance to grab the Republican Party by the seat of its pants, convert it to “the cause” and lead America out of the wlderness and into the light! Have your Ron Paul button on right now where everybody can see it? I know you do, pal, you’re just that kind of a stand up guy. Did you give Ron money? Do you really care how he spent it? Naw, not you. You just knew you could trust that face and that message. The last time it happened was 2000 years ago, right NF?

  20. Committee for Clarity Says:

    to be clear
    Ron Paul would not endorse Ruwart if he knew what her second book said about you know what.

    LaBianaca is slimmy and shameless to suggest Ron Paul in any way approves of Mary Ruwart in any way.

    the committee for truth.

  21. Committee for Clarity Says:

    to be clear
    Why didn’t you ask about Paul’s implied endorsement of Ruwart Gordon?

    to be clear Gordon we must have the truth.

    ...maybe Gordon was in awe…maybe he didn’t want to throw up …or see Paul throw up. amen

  22. Catholic Trotskyist Says:

    HOW ABOUT A CATHOLIC TROTSKYIST/NEW FEDERALIST PRESIDENTIAL TICKET IN 2030? THE PAUL REVOLUTION AND THE OBAMA REVOLUTION ACTUALLY GO VERY WELL TOGETHER. And GOD SAID UNTO ME, “WOE UNTO RON PAUL IF HE ENDORSES THE BUSH/NADER/RODHAM CONSPIRATOR JOHN MCCAIN. MAY THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL COME TO OBEDIENCE AND GREATER HOLINESS AS THEY COME BEHIND THE GREAT REVOLUTIONARY GENERAL BARACK OBAMA. AMEN.”

  23. John Lowell Says:

    Harold,

    “The Republican machine will not let Ron Paul speak at the National Convention. No way. Period. They will ignore him.”

    Ah, but Harold, you give up much too quickly. Have heart my friend. Just ask New Federalist. Somehow, some way we’re going to get the truth through to the convention managers, Ron’ll speak, there’ll be pandemonium, Ron’ll jump onto a table holding that revolver he has a perfect right to hold, darn it, and announce that the National Revolution has begun! And if then they don’t believe, we’ll try again in four year or in eight or in twelve, whatever it takes. Hold tight to Ron and the Revolution, Harold, its your lifeline.

  24. Laura Says:

    I wonder if those people “in his circle” are the same people who came up with the awful New Hampshire ads?

    What a horrible thing for “those people” to insinuate! I’m so disappointed that this even came up!

  25. Laura Says:

    Red,

    Don’t slash your wrists; the CP needs you! :-)

  26. NewFederalist Says:

    Like I said, John Lowell, you certainly have a future in something. Good luck finding out what it is.

  27. Sivarticus Says:

    Still waiting for Ron Paul to clearly say, “I will not run as a third party candidate in 2008.” Can’t fully fault him for shying away from a third party run though, there still hasn’t been an organized movement from his supporters demanding that he keep going.

  28. Andy Says:

    “G.E. Says:

    May 9th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
    Baldwin’s nomination closed the door on any Ron Paul endorsements, in my opinion. He will not endorse the LP candidate when Baldwin is on the CP line. And even if the LP nominates W.A.R. or Phillies, I can’t see Ron Paul endorsing Baldwin unless Baldwin goes the extra mile to downplay religion in his campaign. So far, Baldwin seems to be angling in this direction, but his party’s platform is so egregiously unlibertarian, it would be difficult for Paul to endorse its standardbearer.”

    I think that there is a chance that Ron Paul could endorse Mary Ruwart or Steve Kubby or maybe even Bob Barr.

  29. Trent Hill Says:

    Andy,

    I think Baldwin is the MOST likely of any candidate to get endorsed by Paul—but I dont think any will.

    Baldwin was the only candidate who through his FULL WEIGHT behind Paul. Kubby endorsed, Mary is a friend and her book was endorsed, Barr….well he’s a congressman—-but none of them fought in th R3VOLUTION the way Baldwin did.

  30. Andy Says:

    “Trent Hill Says:

    May 10th, 2008 at 1:46 am
    Andy,

    I think Baldwin is the MOST likely of any candidate to get endorsed by Paul—but I dont think any will.

    Baldwin was the only candidate who through his FULL WEIGHT behind Paul. Kubby endorsed, Mary is a friend and her book was endorsed, Barr….well he’s a congressman—-but none of them fought in th R3VOLUTION the way Baldwin did.”

    Mary Ruwart had a lot of involvement in the Ron Paul r3VOLution this past year. I’ve heard that she and her husband were involved in their local Ron Paul Meet Up Group and that they donated money to Ron’s campaign. Mary Ruwart was also listed on Ron Paul’s website as one of the well known people who endorsed him for President.

    In addition to Mary Ruwart’s involvement in the Ron Paul r3VOLution, Ron endorsed Mary’s book and Ron also tried to get Mary Ruwart appointed as the head of the FDA.

  31. Sean Says:

    I couldn’t find a Mary Ruward donation reported in OpenSecrets.org …

  32. Andy Says:

    “Sean Says:

    May 10th, 2008 at 11:44 am
    I couldn’t find a Mary Ruward donation reported in OpenSecrets.org …”

    First of all, you spelled her name wrong. Second of all, it could have been under her husband’s name or she could have donated under the reporting threshold. A lot of people purposely donate under the reporting threshold because they don’t want their name to end up on the government list.

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