Libertarian Party of Indiana Straw Poll Results

These results were provided by George Phillies:

48 voters casting up to 3 votes each:

Phillies 22
Barr 22
Gravel 20
Ruwart 19
Jingozian 16
Root 16
Imperato 4
Hess 3
Smith 2
Kubby 1
NOTA-5

Link, Finan, Burns, Hollist, Milnes -0

Phillies, Gravel, Ruwart, Jingozian, Imperato were present for one or both of the two one-hour debates. Root was represented by Mark Schreiber. Others were not present.

UPDATE: Mark Rutherford provides the official results.

45 Responses to “Libertarian Party of Indiana Straw Poll Results”

  1. Jared Says:

    Imperato beat Smith and Kubby. Wow.

  2. Catholic Trotskyist Says:

    Congratulations to Phillies, Barr and Gravel. I hope that there is either a Barr/Gravel ticket, or one of them runs with Phillies on the ticket. Ruwart should drop out. I am also glad that Jingozian is doing fairly well. Perhaps he would be the best candidate to align himself with the Fringe Alliance Strategy, as he once ran for the Green Party. It is definitely a surprise that Imperato got some votes. Maybe he’ll beat Root at one of these polls soon.
    Please pray for the Pope and please pray for Barack Obama.
    Imperato may have the pope’s endorsement, but Obama has God’s endorsement.

  3. Robert Milnes Says:

    Once again debacle.

  4. Jerry Baner Says:

    Root finally lost one to Gravel.

    Hooray!

    I’d like to see a Gravel/Phillies ticket or a Gravel/Jingozian ticket. Or their reciprocals. I could not stand voting for Barr, who is one reason this country is so screwed up.

  5. Joseph Marzullo Says:

    Why doesn’t Phillies ever volunteer the ino when he loses? lol

  6. Mike Theodore Says:

    Come on, Jim Burns!
    Anyone remember that debate a while ago he was in. I know you do, Robert. Guy’s hilarious.
    “They’ve banned smoking…for christs sake”

  7. Mike Gillis Says:

    Who the bloody hell is voting for Imperato?

  8. Catholic Trotskyist Says:

    Imperato’s relatively good showing in Indiana is a good foreshadowing of the progressivism in that state; Obama will hopefully destroy Clinton utterly in the primary there.

  9. Peter Orvetti Says:

    So this is interesting…
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9886.html

    But while keeping to the same mantra — “I have no plan, no intention to do so” — Paul is also not completely slamming the door shut on a third-party run. And, perhaps more worrisome for Republicans should they have a tight race with the eventual Democratic nominee, he’s also not ruling out supporting a third-party candidate.
    Asked what he would do if his supporters approached him this fall and asked him whom to support, Paul replied, “I’ll respond when I think I should — when we know where the ducks are lining up.”
    “It’s a little bit early for that. Who are the candidates going to be? Not only on top of the two parties, but who will be the bottom four or five?”
    As it stands now, Paul said: “If I had to make that decision, I don’t think I’d be very enthusiastic about anybody.”
    ...
    There is no Paul-like third-party candidate around whom they can rally and vent their frustrations.
    That may change if former Rep. Bob Barr (R-Ga.) gets the nomination of the Libertarian Party next month at its convention in Denver. But since launching an exploratory committee earlier this month, Barr has raised little money and has not drawn a fraction of the online fervor that has accompanied Paul’s bid.
    And Paul doesn’t seem enticed by the prospect of transferring the passion he’s developed to his old colleague.
    When reminded of Barr’s prospective run, Paul noted other minor parties with candidates in the mix. “I have a lot of friends in the Green Party,” he said. “Some [of my backers] may vote for Ralph Nader.”

  10. Robert Milnes Says:

    Mike Theodore, yes I remember Jim Burns at LP/NJPA. I think I read somewhere he was at at least one other debate.

  11. Robert Milnes Says:

    So evidently Smith has run out of gas like Kubby. The Ron Paul effect has caused self supporters to gain the early upper hand Phillies, Root, Imper., Jingo. Then johnny come latelies Ruwart, Gravel, Barr have the advantage rounding out the top 7. I’ll vote for the LP nominee but as far as support goes, what goes around…Guess I’ll try my luck at gold mining. As the economy tanks, the price goes up!

  12. Mike Theodore Says:

    Jesus, Milnes. Do you sleep? I never see you posting in the day, but when I’m on here at 3 in the morning, your everywhere.

  13. Robert Milnes Says:

    Mike Theodore, yes, I sleep. Too much. & am depressed & fatigued most of the rest of the time. As long as my life is screwed I will be like that unless I try the medication route. Presently I’m on a sleep in 2-4 hour intervals mostly during day. up most late night. Thank you for asking.

  14. David F. Nolan Says:

    I put very little stock in unscientific polls, but I find it interesting that when you combine these results with those from New York (see below) you get the following: Root 44, Barr 42, Ruwart 34, Gravel 30, Jingo 23, Phillies 22, others negligible. This does not bode well for Barr, who got less than 20% support after three weeks of MASSIVE hype and exposure. I’ve said for some time that I think the final showdown in Denver will be one “conservative” (Root or Barr) vs. one “purist” (probably Ruwart). I also opined that once Barr jumped in. Root would be roadkill. These results indicate that Barr is in trouble and Root is holding up pretty well. If I were in Barr’s shoes, I’d be seriously considering NOT jumping in - announcing that my Exploratory Committee is shutting down, and walking away with my dignity intact.

  15. Fred C. Says:

    I don’t know if it’s right to just combine vote totals when delegates in one state got five votes a piece and delegates in another only got three. Off the top of my head I think a weighting scheme would put Phillies in the top three with this tie.

  16. Bill Wood Says:

    Dave F. Nolan, I agree maybe Bob Barr shouldn’t jump in an already cluttered field of strong Candidates.

  17. G.E. Says:

    The top 3 slots occupied by non-libertarians. Nice.

  18. George Phillies Says:

    For those of you confused by the debate description, lpin had two ohe hour debates, each with no opening statements, one minute answers to written questions, candidates answering in scrambled orders, and a three minute closer at the end of one debate. The after lunch debate had Ruwart,me, and standins for Jingozian, Gravel, and Root. The night debate had the five aforementioned candidates plus Imperato. Ruwart and I gave closers in the lunch debate; the other four closed in he postdinner debate. The postdinner debate end included the poll, which was completed by people who missed the lunch debate.

    The lpin event thus differed from the lpny event in that people heard the candidates before voting.

    The issue of the Ruwart book only arose at the lunch debate. None of the sides actually read aloud in a single piece the three paragraphs that Ruwart wrote. The.question on the topic was sufficiently circumlocutory that a fair part of the audience that had not heard about the issue were left somewhat confused at least until people spoke.

  19. Stefan Says:

    Divid F. Nolan: Sir, what would you say about Jesse Ventura in getting a VP nomination (if he wants), or even better being courted to be the LP’s senator candidate for Minnesota (where he was governor)? The LP should not only focus on the presidential race, how important it may be, but also in securing congressional representation. The latter is more likely than the former (president) and better than city counsellor and will really put the LP on the map. And what about Karen Kwiatkowski, who has been in the LP for a considerable couple of years and is also known outside the LP, she should have some appeal and chance in getting a congressional seat or as VP, if she wants?

  20. Clark Says:

    ...folks, get real, the LP is well on its way to becoming merely the hideous spawn of Republican/crat triflers..

    ..the late harry browne had a puny little show on scratchy AM @1 A.M…

    ..whilst stinking “Libertarian” Kneel Boor and many other faux “Libertarian” stinkers are BOOMING clear-channel culch on FM at high noon!..and P.M. ‘drive-home’ time too…

    (..it would appear you’re going to have to deal with ‘the money thing’ if you want to get real/at the roots..but do carry on for my amusement!..i love fiction too!..) ;o)

  21. Jake Z Says:

    Something I keep on finding interesting. It seems like at almost every state Gravel gets the same positioning or around the same amount of percent as each and every other state. He is never greatly out of it, but at the same time never really in the lead. This is something interesting because when they are in Denver Gravel will have an easier time winning some because he already has a somewhat even base in every state they have been in.

    For my prediction? I am supporting Mike Gravel 100% eventhough I am not a Lib. (Hell I’m a Reform Party Member), but I have a feeling W.A.R is going to win it. To be honest W.A.R. will up your votes from the 400k-500k amount probably closer to 800-900k, but at the same time make ou a JOKE! So I am praying and begging that the LP nominates him so that the Reform Party could work something out with Gravel or even Jingozian and get on 20-30 state ballots and still kick your booty lol.

  22. Feudal Lord Says:

    So I am praying and begging that the LP nominates him so that the Reform Party could work something out with Gravel or even Jingozian and get on 20-30 state ballots and still kick your booty lol.

    In your case, wouldn’t it be better if the LP nominated Ruwart? Most Americans are not willing to accept child porn as the norm. Your Reform Party candidate would have a field day with that one.

  23. Steve LaBianca Says:

    Ruwart is going through her scrutinizing period right now. Barr is going through his scrutinizing period right now.

    My prediction is that both Barr and Ruwart will weather this scrutiny, as long as the biased Shane Cory keep his nose out of things.

    W.A.R. WILL GET his scrutinizing period, even if it is at the presidential debate in Denver. When push comes to shove, the delegates will see how disingenuous W.A.R. is. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY goes from supporting a G.W.B., John McCain type of Neo-Con foreign policy position to a Libertarian non-interventionist foreign policy (such as Mary Ruwart supports) in 3 months! W.A.R. claims that he went from a Neo-Con in March/April 2007 to a total Libertarian non-interventionist by July 2007.

    W.A.R told me in ab email that the foreign policy position he espoused in Orlando at the end of March 2007 was “old news”. Presto-Chango, W.A.R. had become a Libertarian on foreign policy in a matter of three months!

    I repeat, how ANYBODY can think that the used car salesman, smooth talking, flip-flopping “tell ‘em what they want to hear” W.A.R. is really a Libertarian, is WAY beyond me! C’mon folks, we Libertarians are far smarter than to believe the words coming out of W.A.R.’s mouth are honest! Dishonesty aside, W.A.R. doesn’t even know the difference between a gold standard and a fiat money standard. HE IS ON RECORD as saying he supports a gold standard and fiat standard! Yeah right, and I support having my cake and eating it as well!

    If you want (phony) image over substance (and frankly W.A.R.’s image ain’t nearly as good as he thinks it is) and a track record over the last 15 months of adjusting and fine tuning the “message” so it might be accepted by Libertarians, then vote for W.A.R. in Denver. I however, still have confidence that Libertarians will come to their senses and send W.A.R. and his disingenuousness packing, tail between his legs and all. What a sight that will be

  24. Feudal Lord Says:

    The top 3 slots occupied by non-libertarians. Nice.

    That’s because the ‘real’ libs suck, as you do. No sane American is ever going to allow anarchy to rule. Child porn is “ok” if that’s what the child wants? Ruwart is a looser.

  25. Steve LaBianca Says:
    1. Feudal Lord Says:
      April 27th, 2008 at 12:02 pm

    In your case, wouldn’t it be better if the LP nominated Ruwart? Most Americans are not willing to accept child porn as the norm. Your Reform Party candidate would have a field day with that one.

    Mary Ruwart doesn’t support child porn. Just like Libertarians support ending drug prohibition, that DOES NOT mean that Libertarians support drug use. Ruwart detractors will try make this connection about laws regarding child pornography as SUPPORTING child pornography, but it is as tenuous a connection as Libertarians support drug use!

    Cut the crap and stop the ridiculous conclusions about this. I see right through it for what it is; you are a shill for another candidate, and you are afraid that Ruwart will walk away with this nomination, as delegates return to rationality about this. This is why you try to keep up the emotional nature of the argument. You’re afraid to let rationality once again set in. Your ploy will fail. Libertarians are too smart to buy into it.

  26. Steve LaBianca Says:
    1. Feudal Lord Says:
      April 27th, 2008 at 12:10 pm

    That’s because the ‘real’ libs suck, as you do. No sane American is ever going to allow anarchy to rule. Child porn is “ok” if that’s what the child wants? Ruwart is a looser.

    When are people such as Feudal Lord going to learn how to spell? “Looser” relates to how “tight” shoes or clothes are. “Loser” is the correct term, which applies very well to you Feudal Lord. (From dictionary.com “Looser” - 13.”not fitting closely or tightly: a loose sweater.”)

    Also, Did you get that . . . “Anarchy to rule” . . . does this guy have a clue at all? Another troll!

  27. Feudal Lord Says:

    Libertarians are too smart to buy into it.

    After we have completed the retrofit of the party’s platform and mission statements, any anarchists still in the party will be a “super minority”. If you are so smart, smart ass, why are you even sticking around? The change is inevitable. Pack up and move on, or be prepared to kiss our asses.

  28. Feudal Lord Says:
    1. Clark Says:
      April 27th, 2008 at 9:49 am

    ...folks, get real, the LP is well on its way to becoming merely the hideous spawn of Republican/crat triflers..

    ..the late harry browne had a puny little show on scratchy AM @1 A.M…

    ..whilst stinking “Libertarian” Kneel Boor and many other faux “Libertarian” stinkers are BOOMING clear-channel culch on FM at high noon!..and P.M. ‘drive-home’ time too…

    (..it would appear you’re going to have to deal with ‘the money thing’ if you want to get real/at the roots..but do carry on for my amusement!..i love fiction too!..) ;o)

    I’d like to know where you get your drugs bro? Damn, you are on a trip every time you post. Hope they are good ones.

  29. Feudal Lord Says:

    That is your best misdirection? Spelling and grammatical errors will never trump child porn advocates such as yourself or Dr. Mary Ruwart.

  30. Steve LaBianca Says:
    1. Feudal Lord Says:
      April 27th, 2008 at 12:28 pm

    After we have completed the retrofit of the party’s platform and mission statements, any anarchists still in the party will be a “super minority”. If you are so smart, smart ass, why are you even sticking around? The change is inevitable. Pack up and move on, or be prepared to kiss our asses.

    SO, this is about “retrofitting” the platform. The Brian Holtz’s and Alicia Mattson’s of the LRC are really just blowing smoke when they say that the
    “New and improved” platform is “still strongly libertarian”.

    The truth is now out. The word “libertarian” no longer means what it has meant for at least the last century. Nice try.

    I also find it interesting that since most fundamentally sound libertarians have never called for “moderates” to be purged, you are calling for hard-liners to be! That’s right . . . welcome to the new LP, where we take a stand on nothing, we just want to be populist so nobody thinks we’re out of the mainstream, boohoo the media is calling us kooks again. Get a backbone Feudal Lord. Either you’re a libertarian or you aren’t!

  31. Steve LaBianca Says:
    1. Feudal Lord Says:
      April 27th, 2008 at 12:40 pm

    That is your best misdirection? Spelling and grammatical errors will never trump child porn advocates such as yourself or Dr. Mary Ruwart.

    This IS YOUR best defense, coming to the conclusion from distrust in government and the lack of efficacy of its laws TO “child porn advocates”? If you think that Libertarians will buy into the emotional slander of real Libertarians, you are sorely mistaken. You also apparently have not read my other posts . . . I was just simply pointing out that if you can’t even spell simple words, how could your judgment be trusted?

  32. Steve LaBianca Says:

    George Phillies Says:
    April 27th, 2008 at 8:43 am

    The lpin event thus differed from the lpny event in that people heard the candidates before voting.

    George, my understanding is that the voting in NY was in fact AFTER the candidates or surrogates spoke. I am pretty sure about that.

  33. Feudal Lord Says:

    Get a backbone Feudal Lord. Either you’re a libertarian or you aren’t!

    Perhaps what we should be thinking is; Mr. LaBianca, either you’re going to become a “moderate” or you will need to seek an anarchist haven elsewhere.

  34. kiddie porn rules! Says:

    I can’t wait for Mary to be nominated by the Lp. All of you neo-libs should just go back to the GOP and leave us alone. We love our LP cult and we’ll not let you take away our rights to have sex with kids!

  35. Ninja02 Says:

    What about Jeffrey Curley Steve? Is this why you’re supporting Ruwart?

  36. paulie Says:

    George, my understanding is that the voting in NY was in fact AFTER the candidates or surrogates spoke. I am pretty sure about that.

    Correct.

  37. paulie Says:

    After we have completed the retrofit of the party’s platform and mission statements, any anarchists still in the party will be a “super minority”.

    Maybe you will. Maybe you won’t.

    But we are the ones who built the LP you want to take over (why?). So we might start from scratch while your Neo-LP flounders on the rocks without us.

    Or, you might just fail in Denver and be the ones sent packing. See you there.


    If you are so smart, smart ass, why are you even sticking around? The change is inevitable.

    Yeah, that’s what the Soviets and the Nazis said. Don’t count your chickens before they hatch, Dave.


    Pack up and move on, or be prepared to kiss our asses.

    Kiss your own ass.

  38. Steve LaBianca Says:
    1. kiddie porn rules! Says:
      April 27th, 2008 at 1:55 pm

    I can’t wait for Mary to be nominated by the Lp. All of you neo-libs should just go back to the GOP and leave us alone. We love our LP cult and we’ll not let you take away our rights to have sex with kids!

    HaHaHaHa! The jokes just are coming faster and faster. Keep it up. You destroy any intregrity of the anti-Ruwart faction with every post

  39. George Phillies Says:

    My point—I agree the other reading is incorrect was that in scenic NY almost none of the candidates or surrogates were there, and therefore that as an indicator of the National Convention outcome it may be less than completely reliable.

    And, while Wayne Root was not in Indiana, his representative Mark Schreiber did a truly excellent job of representing him, especially on the most interesting issue.

  40. paulie Says:

    George, in NY the following were there personally

    Gravel
    Jingozian
    Root
    Barr
    Link
    Finan

    Representatives

    Me for Kubby
    Ray Carr for Mary Ruwart
    (Sorry, name slips my mind) for Christine Smith

  41. Catholic Trotskyist Says:

    Feudal Lord, you are the best poster on this site along with Mike Theodore, Robert Milnes, Clark and myself. Keep putting the anti-statist Ruwartian libertarians in their place. If I had more resources, I would have liked to organize a feudalist/Trotskyist attempt to take over the Libertarian Party, thus undermining the capitalist system greatly. At least I hope you will support the Fringe Alliance strategy, which I will repost again.

    I have developed a strategy based on an alliance between the Green, libertarian
    and constitution parties, the various socialist movements and centrist independents, Kucinich Democrats, Ron Paul Republicans, and other smaller groups such as fascists, feudalists, monarchists and syndicalists, to initiate the following goals.

    1. The electoral college is abolished.
    2. The presidential election uses a national Majority Runoff system. This will change us from a republic to a democracy.
    3. Congress is elected through proportional representation.

    Third parties should spend most of their energies pushing for these constitutional amendments, using graphic protests in public locations. Otherwise, the
    efforts of all of them are doomed to do nothing more than push the major parties slightly in one direction, and ruin the chances of the parties that their
    candidates are most closely aligned with, while gaining such small failing numbers for themselves. The people who visit this site are by definitions on
    the fringes of society. It is important for the fringe to get together. This strategy is gaining the support of many political scientists across the nation,
    and I will continue to post it several times a week here until it is adopted. Fortunately, we have the Obama Revolution to save our country for now.
    The revolution will be televised.
    Please pray for the pope and please pray for Barack Obama. Amen.

    The Constitution Party is still welcome to join, even though noone here apparently circulated it around the party at the convention. But I will be at the LP convention and there my greatness will be revealed.
    Go Gravel/Barr! Go Baldwin! Go Obama!

  42. ElfNinosMom Says:

    I find it interesting that, this late in the game, five people still voted for “None of the Above”.

    Will there be a video of these debates?

  43. George Phillies Says:

    Paulie,

    I stand corrected. The report I was given in Indiana was that the only candidates who appeared in NY were Gravel and Jingozian, but that report was clearly incorrect.

    George

  44. Paulie Says:

    Gravel and Jingozian were before lunch, Barr during, the rest later.

  45. ABW Says:

    I see Root has himself listed as the self professed “front runner” on his web site today. He gets funnier every day. Funny how he decided that he needed to be where Mary Ruwart wasn’t. Being upstaged in person just isn’t as much fun as letting a “stand in” ATTEMPT to try to derail Mary in person in Indiana. Didn’t happen—-and it won’t happen.

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