Pennsylvania Primary offers excellent opportunity for petitions

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The Pennsylvania primary on April 22 is an excellent opportunity for petitioning parties to collect many signatures. The Constitution, Green, Libertarian Parties, and independent Ralph Nader, are all circulating a petition to get on the Pennsylvania ballot. Petitioning at the polls on primary day is one of the best techniques for petitioning, because virtually everyone standing in line to vote, or leaving the polling place, is a registered voter. Pennsylvania this year requires 24,666 valid signatures for statewide petitions. Members of the petitioning parties should consider taking some time off from work, or at least using some evening time after work, to petition next Tuesday.

27 Responses to “Pennsylvania Primary offers excellent opportunity for petitions”

  1. Eric Dondero Says:

    Au contraire.

    As one who has been a professional petitioner for over 25 years, I can tell you that Democrats do not sign petitions. And they are rather rude and obxoxious, especially to Libertarian petitioners. They are the ones who blocked us with their Union thugs in Montana, Missouri, Arizona, Nebraska and other States in 2006, from obtaining signatures for our property rights initiatives. One friend of mine - Jake Witmer a longtime Libertarian petitioner - was even surrounded by 12 (), that’s right I said 12 Democrat blockers in Butte, Montana on primary day back in June of 2006.

    If you want signatures, Republicans and Republican events are much better. GOP supporters are much more open and supportive of the initiative process and third party ballot efforts.

    With Democrats, you’re more likely to get slugged in the face if you’re petititioning for Pro-Freedom causes.

  2. Eric Dondero Says:

    Oh, I forgot to mention, there’s an excellent article in National Review on-line this morning about how Democrat thugs are blocking libertarian Ward Connerly’s effort to gather signatures for the Anti-Affirmative Action initiatives in Missouri, Arizona, Colorado and Nebraska. In some cases the far-left ACORN anarchists are using violent tactics to stop the libertarian initiative from making the ballot.

  3. Roscoe Says:

    Do Pennsylvania Libertarians have a “placeholder” name to put on their petitions for President? Do they have their electors lined up?

  4. Dave Williams Says:

    Eric, G.E. and I were discussing the union thugs on another thread, one of the last Green Party threads. They do have issues.

  5. Susan Hogarth Says:

    As one who has been a professional petitioner for over 25 years, I can tell you that Democrats do not sign petitions.

    As one who has been a volunteer petitioner for several years, I can tell you that Democrats do sign petitions.

    One of us must be lying. Susan Hogarth or Eric Dondero. Take your pick.

  6. Clark Says:

    Republicrats, PLEASE!..

    Maybe time to change tactics….maybe instead of wasting so many federal reserve token$ on collecting stinking signatures from Republicrats, etcetercrats,....maybe creating a talk radio show with a great host is the way to go—(maybe a cross between harry browne and howard stern, etc..although harry and howard were/are apparently both monetary ignoramusses too!...i know…maybe get CLARK TO DO IT!! ;o) )

    ...’libertarianism’ is a great product..and if Rush Blowhard, Shill O’Lielly, etc. goddamned fools/creeps galore, can peddle that sh!t of theirs…it seems ‘libertarianism’ would ‘sell’ like hotcakes..

    (real ‘libertarianism’..not, for one of many examples, the garbage the stinking Republicrat Kneel Boor peddles..) ;o)

  7. Eric Prindle Says:

    I fail to see how Eric Dondero’s assertion contradicts the original post. The Libertarians are not the only minor party in Pennsylvania, and the Democrats are not the only major party holding a primary.

    If you think Democrats won’t sign your petition, go to an overwhelmingly Republican polling place. But if you’re a Pennsylvania minor-party activist, I can’t implore you enough: Take the day off on primary day, get a high accuracy rate (especially for local candidates), and save yourself a lot of time and frustration in the summer.

  8. Steven R Linnabary Says:

    Does PA state law require a petitioner to be a state resident??

    PEACE
    Steve

  9. Tom Bryant Says:

    Eric is a very shady petitioner…his unethical practices caused a drive in Montana to get thrown out in court.

    Democrats will sign Libertarian petitions if you are presentable and polite.

  10. Sivarticus Says:

    I have no problem believing the claims about the Dems. They have always been generally nastier to third parties, probably because they are the weaker of the two political parties and fear having their base eroded by minor parties. The way they treated Nader last time around, who would’ve been lucky to manage 1% even if he were on the ballot in all 50 states, was absolutely reprehensible. They blew his campaign away with lawsuits, and I personally witnessed hordes of Demo-drones scream any Naderite bold enough to express his support into submission (or at least deafness).

    Nader and the Greens might be radicals, but just about anyone viciously attacked by the Dems deserves the good will and ballot access support of others. I surely wouldn’t vote for either of them this year, but I would be happy to sign ballot petitions for Nader and the Green Party, just to hit back at the arrogant zombies who will undoubtedly be even more insane toward minor parties rivals this year, no thanks to Obamania.

  11. Mike Gillis Says:

    All of my signature gathering has been done in the Seattle area, which is at least 80% liberal and 90% Democrat.

    They will sign petitions, many of them. Especially if you frame ballot access as a fairness issue.

  12. Richard Winger Says:

    The Democratic Party has acted to keep certain minor party and independent presidential candidates off ballots in 1936, 1948, 1976, 1980, and especially 2004. The Republican Party has never acted to keep any minor party or independent presidential candidate off the ballot, although Republicans have sometimes challenged minor party petitions for office other than president. There does seem to be a difference between the two major parties, in their attitude toward competition in presidential general elections.

    Also, the worst ballot access laws in the nation were created by Democratic-majority state legislatures: Oklahoma (worst for president), Georgia (worst for US House), Alabama (worst for non-presidential statewide candidates), all were created by Democrats. However, it is possible we will get some relief this year from the Alabama legislature, which still has a Democratic majority in both houses.

    On the other hand, federal judges appointed by Democratic presidents are significantly better on ballot access issues than federal judges appointed by Republican presidents.

  13. Susan Hogarth Says:

    “The Democratic Party has acted …. There does seem to be a difference between the two major parties, in their attitude toward competition in presidential general elections.”

    Sure. But Dondero’s assertion was that “Democrats do not sign petitions,” which is nonsense.

  14. Paulie Says:

    In my experience, Democrats and nonpartisans sign third party/independent petitions more than Republicans (and are more likely to stop to find out what the petition is, regardless of whether they sign it).

    Not that this has anything to do with this post, as Eric Prindle points out.

  15. Mike Gillis Says:

    Richard,

    Didn’t the OR Republican Party fight in 2006 to try to get the Constitution Party candidate for governor off the ballot? I seem to remember reading about that.

  16. Paulie Says:

    Illinois Republicans are always the ones to challenge LP petitions. Using government workers illegally doing NSGOP party work on the clock, no less.

  17. Roscoe Says:

    out of staters can circulate petitions in Penna. But the petition must be under the control of and signed by someone qualified to vote in the district in which the candidate is being nominated - in the case of presidential electors, the whole state.

  18. Catholic Trotskyist Says:

    Some Democrats and Republicans are ok with third parties, while others are smart enough to understand the true state of current elections. Third parties should focus 100% of their energy in petitioning for a constitutional amendment to abolish the electoral college, institute a majority runoff system for presidential elections, and proportional representation for congressional elections. It may have a pretty slim chance of success, but it has a better chance than most current third party election projects.

  19. Eric Dondero Says:

    Really Tom, my efforts in Montana resulted in the petition getting thrown off the ballot?

    That’s funny. Here’s a few people who can be consulted to refute that claim:

    Paul Jacob
    Scott Tillman
    Trevis Butcher
    Jake Witmer

    The person solely responsible for getting our petitions thrown off the ballot in the State of Montana was none other than ultra-partisan libertarian-hater DEMOCRAT Governor Brian Schweitzer.

    Shows your obvious ignorance of the property rights movement, to try to blame it on me.

  20. Eric Dondero Says:

    Thank you Richard for the back-up.

    The Nation’s leading Ballot Access expert confirms Eric Dondero’s assertions on Democrats being less favorable to petitioners than Republicans, right here at ThirdPartyWatch.com.

    I think some apologies are in order.

    Ms. Hogarth?

    Tom Bryant?

  21. Eric Prindle Says:

    Richard backed up the assertion that the Democratic Party apparatus is more hostile to ballot access than the Republicans. That is probably true.

    The people who vote in primaries are a completely different story. The vast majority have nothing to do with either party apparatus, or allied unions or advocacy groups for that matter.

    P.S. “Democrat” is a noun. “Democratic” is an adjective.

  22. Jeremy Young Says:

    Richard, it’s also worth noting that Republicans have been significantly worse in allowing third-party participation in Presidential debates, most recently in 1996 (when Clinton supported Perot’s inclusion and Dole opposed him). In 2000, both major parties agreed not to allow Nader into the debates.

  23. Paulie Says:

    Eric Prindle is once again correct.

  24. Clark Says:

    ....Folks, PLEASE!..

    ...you can continue to ‘stay within the stinking Republicrat box’ and continue to collect Republicrat signatures, ‘fight for ballot access’ by begging stinking Republicrats, etc. BOONDOGGLES ad stinking nauseam..(how much money/time spent here?)

    ...or you might RADICALLY CHANGE TACTICS AND DISTINGUISH YOURSELVES AS TRULY DIFFERENT/BETTER THAN THE INCREASINGLY-HATED STINKING REPUBLICRATS..

    (more proof that in any organization the dummies/peckerheads/puppetheads etc. tend to rise to the top..)

  25. Andy Says:

    “Eric Dondero Says:

    April 17th, 2008 at 5:08 am
    Au contraire.

    As one who has been a professional petitioner for over 25 years, I can tell you that Democrats do not sign petitions. And they are rather rude and obxoxious, especially to Libertarian petitioners. They are the ones who blocked us with their Union thugs in Montana, Missouri, Arizona, Nebraska and other States in 2006, from obtaining signatures for our property rights initiatives. One friend of mine - Jake Witmer a longtime Libertarian petitioner - was even surrounded by 12 (), that’s right I said 12 Democrat blockers in Butte, Montana on primary day back in June of 2006.”

    This is complete horseshit. I’ve gathered petition signatures for 8 years in 24 states and on well over 100 petitions and I can tell you that Democrats most certainly DO sign petitions. In fact, I had Democrats sign petitions for me just today. And I’m not talking about socialist, big government petitions, I’m talking Libertarian Party ballot access, marijuana decriminalization, and I’ve even had Democrats sign petitions for things that you wouldn’t expect them to sign such as Ending the State Income Tax.

    Are some Democrats assholes who won’t sign pro-liberty petitions? Sure. Do some Democrats sometimes play dirty tricks to keep pro-liberty petitions from making it on the ballot? Yes they do. But this does NOT describe ALL Democrats.

    I’ve had plenty of Republicans sign petitions for me as well, and I’ve also been hassled about petitions by many Republicans, including ones who played “dirty tricks” such as making false complaints about me and calling the police on me (in order to prevent a petition that they don’t like from making it on the ballot).

    I’d say that Democrats and Republicans are about equal in terms of the percentages of them who are reasonable people and the percentages of them who are unreasonable assholes.

  26. Andy Says:

    “Eric Dondero Says:

    April 17th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
    Thank you Richard for the back-up.

    The Nation’s leading Ballot Access expert confirms Eric Dondero’s assertions on Democrats being less favorable to petitioners than Republicans, right here at ThirdPartyWatch.com.

    I think some apologies are in order.”

    No apologies are in order because while Richard was certainly correct in the examples that he pointed out, I can point out many examples where Republicans tried to keep things off of the ballot and/or smeared things once they made it on the ballot - including pro-liberty ballot initiatives (Richard was just refering to minor party/independent ballot access, NOT ballot initiatives).

    I can site many examples.

    The Republicans in Illinois got challenged the Libertarian Party’s signatures and got them kicked off the ballot - twice I believe.

    I had a Republican gun show promoter call the police on me for gathering signatures for Libertarian Party ballot access at the Raleigh Fairgrounds in Raleigh, North Carolina.

    I had another Republican gun show promoter call the police on me for gathering signatures to Recall California Governor Grey Davis - yes, you read that right! This happened at the Ventura Fairgrounds in Ventura, California. The gun show promoter said that since Grey Davis did not ban all gun shows in California that we should keep him in office and she (it was a female gun show promoter) didn’t want me gathering signatures on this petition at her show (even though I was in the parking lot outside the entrance to the fairgrounds), and even though she was not a Democrat. Fortunately, California has strong petition rights compared to most states so the police and the manager of the fairgrounds both said that I could stay.

    I had yet another Republican gun show promoter call the police on me in Tulsa, Oklahoma for gathering signatures on ballot initiatives to Stop Emminent Domain Abuse and to put Spending Limits on State Government. When I pointed out to the police that the fairgrounds was owned by the city and recieved tax payer funding they didn’t care and threatened to arrest me anyway. The gun show promoter wouldn’t even sell me a table when I offered him money.

    The former Republican mayor of Ohama, Nebraska who is realestate mogal, would not allow any petitioning for Put Spending Limits on State Government and Legalize Casino Gambling at any of the properties that he had the lease on, which included shopping centers and government offices such as offices for the Department of Motor Vehicles. A law suit was filed over this and as a result people eventually able to gather petition signatures there, but this was no thanks to him.

    The Republican Governor of Nebraska OPPOSED the Spending Limits initiative when it made it on the ballot.

    I had a Republican go whine to a store manager to try to get me kicked out of the front of a grocery store in South Dakota for collecting signatures on a medical marijuana initiative.

    I had a Republican in front of a polling place at a library in Souix Falls, South Dakota make a false complaint and called the police on me for gathering signatures on that same medical marijuana initiative. The cop came out and threatened me with arrest, and then claimed that I was standing too close to the polling place. Note that I was in the parking lot of the library and was over 100 feet away (and note that the polling place was in the BACK of the library which was opposite from where I was standing). I asked the cop what evidence he had that I had committed a crime. He didn’t have any so he eventually left me alone.

    The Republican attorney general of South Dakota wrote negative slanted language for the ballot against the medical marijuana initiative which MPP had to file a lawsuit over.

    I had Republicans stand and scream at me in front of DMV’s in Las Vegas, Nevada for gathering signatures to legalize an ounce of marijuana for adults 21 and over.

    I had a HORRIBLE time in Florida with Republican prison gaurd union blockers (note that they were big fans of Jeb Bush as well as GW Bush). They were blocking myself and others for gathering signatures on a petition that would have called for an election to see what union was going to represent prison gaurds in Florida. These Republican prison gaurd THUGS surrounded us, yelled at us, made threats, and even FOLLOWED us around in pick up trucks! The blocking was so bad that the petition drive had to be called off.

    I had some Republicans in Arizona scream at me for gathering signatures to put Libertarian Presidential candidate Harry Browne on the ballot. One idiot Republican even suggested that George W. Bush if elected would end the income tax and replace it with nothing (as Harry Browne wanted to do). I bet him $1,000 that George W. Bush would not do this. He said that he’d take me up on that bet. Too bad that I didn’t get this in writing along with contact information from him.

    I had Republican assholes call the police on me in Massachusetts for gathering signatures on an initiative petition to Reduce Penalties for Marijuana Pocession.

    I wasn’t there, but I heard that the College Republicans at Auburn University called the police on the Auburn University Libertarian Club for setting up a voter registration table in a public area on campus that was near a building where the College Republicans were having an event that was open to the public. Fortunately, all the police did was tell the Auburn University Libertarians that they had to move a few more feet away. I also heard that the College Rebulicans at Auburn University were too chicken to debate the Auburn University Libertarian Club in a debate a few years ago.

  27. Andy Says:

    “Tom Bryant Says:

    April 17th, 2008 at 9:47 am
    Eric is a very shady petitioner…his unethical practices caused a drive in Montana to get thrown out in court.”

    To Eric’s defense, I haven’t heard of any real evidence that he’s a “shady petitioner” and the initiatives in question in Montana were NOT thrown out because of anything that he did.

    In this case, it really was ASSHOLE Democrats who threw these initiative petitions out simply becuase they didn’t like them because they if they passed they would have taken power away from the state government.

    Just because I pointed out that there are Democrats who will sign some pro-liberty petitions and that there are some Republicans who try to supress pro-liberty petitions it does not mean that there aren’t indeed asshole Democrats out there who supress pro-liberty petitions.

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