Root accuses Obama of throwing Grandma “under the bus”

Libertarian presidential candidate Wayne Allyn Root sent the following article to me. I was going to quote from it, as opposed posting the entire article, but it’s not up on his website yet. As this sort of controversial article requires some contextual analysis and understanding, I’m posting the entire piece here (with permission of the author).

by Wayne Allyn Root

Barack Obama yesterday delivered a crucial speech to try to explain why he spent 20 years sitting in the church pews listening to racist rants from his radical black preacher. I believe Obama did a poor job of explaining his lack of judgement- but in the process he did something much worse. He violated a code of privacy and ethics. Worse, the person he violated was his own Grandmother. But hey, when you’re running for President- anything goes.

What he actually did was throw his own white grandmother under the bus- in order to explain away his shortcomings. I’ll bet Grandma is proud this morning. Her own grandson served her up for public humiliation and scorn as a racist by publicly disclosing private conversations he had with her years ago. He served Grandpa up as a scapegoat to explain away the hate and venom towards white America coming from his preacher. But I thought bleeding heart liberals believe “two wrongs don’t make a right?”

Obama threw Grandma under the bus to save his own Presidential ambitions. How loving. How loyal. How classy. Worse, Obama is trying to compare what a person says in private to her own grandson…to his preacher’s public racist rants made to a congregation of thousands, and perhaps a television audience of hundreds of thousands more. What an absurd comparison. Is anyone buying? I sure hope not.

Actually, the worst part of all is that we’ll never know if Obama’s Grandmother said anything truly racist or offensive. After all, we weren’t there. Maybe she never said a thing wrong- maybe Obama, as a mixed-race child going through identity crisis, only took the comments as racist. Maybe what she said is perfectly acceptable to most Americans. Maybe the problem is his attitude towards race. Maybe he’s just overly sensitive. But no matter- Grandma is now road-kill. She was sacrificed at the alter of political expediency. Someone had to be sacrificed- why not someone that loved you, trusted you, and sacrificed for you? No wonder people think politicians are vicious. No wonder people think politicians would eat their own to achieve victory. They’re right.

Time to compare Obama’s confessions about his Grandma with mine. Just like Obama, I grew up living in the same home with my Grandparents. Just like Obama, my Grandmother was like a second mother to me. Just like Obama, my Grandmother sacrificed everything and anything for me. Just like Obama, I grew up a blue-collar kid with nothing- but was saved when my Grandparents paid for me to attend private school in my last 2 years of high school. My Grandparents’ sacrifice saved my life- they rescued me from a violent, dangerous, drug-infested public school in Mt Vernon, New York (on the Bronx borderline). You know, those same urban public schools that Barack never intended (he attended rich private prep schools in Hawaii). Those same public schools that are failing miserably across the country- yet Barack wants to raise your taxes and spend billions more to force your children to attend.

But I digress. Back to my Grandmother Meta Reis- the most wonderful Grandma any boy has ever had. She may have said some things privately that I disagreed with, or that I found offensive. But you’ll never know about them. Because I would never violate her privacy. I’m not the kind to rat out granny. I love her too much to criticize her and expose her memory to public scorn and humiliation. I cherish my memories of my Grandmother. I wouldn’t share a word that she ever said in private…with millions of strangers. I would never throw my Grandma under the bus.

The irony is my Grandmother is long dead (she died in 1993). And I still would do nothing to harm her reputation. Barack’s Grandmother is still alive. How terrible. Did she hear that speech? What did she think? She was lucky enough to raise a Grandson that might someday be President- and he used his soapbox in front of tens of millions to hold his living Grandmother up to public ridicule as a racist? All because he wasn’t man enough to finally end his relationship with a racist white-hating, America-hating, Farrakhan-loving demagogue. How sad. So is this the infamous “change” that Barack stands for? Sounds like the “politics of old” to me- make an excuse, find a scapegoat. But using your private conversations with your own Grandma as the scapegoat- well that is a new low, even for a politician. Just think about this for awhile- if a politician would sell out his own Grandma, think what he’ll do to you.

86 Responses to “Root accuses Obama of throwing Grandma “under the bus””

  1. Jimmy Crackcorn Says:

    Obama’s speech “A More Perfect Union” was just brilliant. Most impressive was his ability stand with one foot in his White heritage and the other in his Black heritage and speak frankly about race in a way neither a Black or White man ever could.

    Even more impressive for me, is that after 8 years with a slack-jawed dufus in the Whitehouse, we can look forward to not only a President that can string a 6 word sentence together without drooling on himself, but he can actually WRITE such an elequent speech.

    That’s right - Obama wrote that speech he gave. By Himself. This speech, being lauded over by both critics and pundits alike as “Historical”, was written by Senator Obama. He gets it. Without being told what to say and think by polls and advisors - he really gets it.

    The man is impressive and uniquely qualified to lead our country in these Dark times.

  2. SovereignMN Says:

    Jimmy Crackcorn…I don’t care. Obama is a socialist and would be a horrible president.

  3. Thomas M. Sipos Says:

    The irony is that both Obama and Root are trying to wiggle out of their pasts to make themselves more viable at their upcoming conventions.

    Obama is the more eloquent of the two, and that’s saying something, as Root probably gives the best stump speeches among the LP’s candidates.

  4. BillTX Says:

    Yeah, because “socialism” is the worst thing in the universe.

  5. Justin Says:

    “She may have said some things privately that I disagreed with, or that I found offensive. But you’ll never know about them. Because I would never violate her privacy. I’m not the kind to rat out granny. I love her too much to criticize her and expose her memory to public scorn and humiliation.”

    Look at me! I’m Wayne Allyn Root! My grandma said offensive things but I won’t rat her out because I’m so morally superior to everyone!

    Also, Wayne, no one “intends” school. They attend school. The stream of grammatical errors in your editorials makes it even tougher to take you seriously.

    Count me out of the LP for this election cycle if this guy wins. What a joke.

  6. Mike Says:

    Wow. What a douchebag. And I don’t even like Obama.

    For those Libertarians among you, I toss this out:

    Do you really want to back a guy for president who gave Joe Lieberman 1,000 bucks in 2006?

    The biggest donation Root made in the past was for the Senate’s champion of interventionist war, attacking civil liberties and government censorship.

    http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=NV&last=root&first=wayne

    http://herndon1.sdrdc.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?26020893465

  7. Roscoe Says:

    I’m disappointed to see Obama revealed as yet another politician.
    He wants us to believe he’s a great conciliator, left and right firebrands will sit down with him and compromise, etc. etc. Yet he apparently can be in a congregation where the minister rants about HIV genocides perpetrated by white folks and doesn’t admonish the minister or at least tell the other congregants (and as an insider, a State Senator, his views may just be listened to) that his disagrees? If he failed to speak out (and he hasn’t claimed he did) then he either a)agreed with the views or b)wants to go along to get along and harvest whatever political advantage the black church gave him. Either a or b marks him as unfit to be president of the United States, even if he was a Libertarian. (Just like RP was unfit because of failure to exercise due diligence in what was published in his name.)

  8. Thomas L. Knapp Says:

    Steve,

    Are you absolutely, positively sure that this piece really came from Root?

    If so, I think I’ll hang up my oppo research hat—he’s soooooo much better at discrediting himself than I am at discrediting him.

  9. Susan Hogarth Says:

    What Knapp said.

  10. johncjackson Says:

    1. As far as the Obama preacher thing- Extreme Double standard. I can’t even imagine how many white politicians ( especially Republicans) attend churches with bigoted preachers. It’s pretty obvious a LOT of churches in general preach hate and some kind of real nutty stuff. Also when “right-wingers” say bad things about our country that makes them Patriotic. If the people preaching are black apparently that makes them “blank panther anti-american socialists” o k.

    ( See Frank Schaeffer’s post on Huffington Post)

    I would add that if you fancy yourself any kind of libertarian or “anti-state” individual and have faults with a black person condemning- let’s just say you have serious problems. My time spent on Ron Paul forums and elsewhere has shown me there are lots of hypocrites on this issue. It reminds me of so-called “2nd Amendment” supporters who have problems when black people own guns or defend their property.

    2. As far as throwing grandma under the bus. That is not how I took it at all. First, he did not reveal anything new. I am not a big Obama fan and have read none of his books. However I read articles before that addressed this same issue- talking about his racial identity and mentioning that his white grandparents had made some uncomfortable racial comments.
    How the hell do you throw someone under the bus by repeating a story that has already been told? I am sure his grandma probably knew the deal. Perhaps she was even OK with it being known that she was sometimes “scared of black men walking down the street”- which IMO is not that controversial as it is something a lot of people deal with- whether they admit it or not. And by itself certainly does not make anyone a KKK member.

    No, thats not how I took it.

    I took Obama as saying that all people are imperfect. We all know people and love people that say things that make us cringe. And we shouldnt have double standards. To me it shows a level of maturity that is lacking in politicians, let alone most adults in general. I also don think he was blaming his grandmother for her reactions. If anything he probably has some more insight into race relations and why some white people fear or dislike black people and vice versa (I feel I have similar insights for similar reasons, FWIW). He seems to want to get past the anger and move forward- I don’t know how you can fault the guy for that.

    Obama, half white and half black, is a post-racial American candidate. Yet most of the people who supposedly want to be colorblind are the ones dwelling on the race issue and trying to make everything a racial issue.

    If you want to make such an issue out of what should be a non-issue then you should probably call for everyone alive to be disqualified.

  11. Kyle B Says:

    Obama actually mentioned the stuff with his grandmother in his first book so it has been out there for a long time. So his grandmother wasn’t blindsided by her grandson mentioning it in his speech. But I am sure she will be glad to have been told she was supposed to be offended by what her grandson said.

    I didn’t really have an opinion on Root until this article, now I have a very negative one of him

  12. johncjackson Says:

    Kyle B,

    Yes I thought I read the same story in an article with some excerpts from the book.

  13. BillTX Says:

    Wayne Allyn Fail strikes again. Good luck to the LP if this slimy
    bucket of teeth gets the nomination.

  14. Jose C. Says:

    “I can’t even imagine how many white politicians ( especially Republicans) attend churches with bigoted preachers. It’s pretty obvious a LOT of churches in general preach hate and some kind of real nutty stuff. Also when “right-wingers” say bad things about our country that makes them Patriotic. If the people preaching are black apparently that makes them “blank panther anti-american socialists” o k.”

    Larry Elder said it best in his talk show Tuesday. Borak Obama has now shown himself to be a victacrat.

    Tiger Woods says he is a person of many races and cultures and victacrat’s call him an Uncle Tom who disowns his “black” heritage. Borak Obama has a scandal in his campaign and has decided to use the “race card” to bail him out. Thanks Wayne for pointing this out.

  15. Robert Milnes Says:

    What Susan said.

  16. Al from Cinci Says:

    Wayne Root needs to come clean about how he’s made his money the last 20 years. He’s in a horrible business and his telemarketing operation is one of if not the worst in the sports handicapping field. Making false claims like they do on their winning percentage and charging credit cards without the owners permission are both fraud. It’s amazing that he and his business partners and salesman have never gone to jail. He needs to come on to the mat about this and many other things that he’s done that are clearly fraudulent. If we can let’s set up a live radio interview time where we can call in or a live blog. I doubt he’ll do it because he doesn’t want people to know to much about the dirty business he’s running.

  17. Dave Williams Says:

    Soooo, the left winger nutjobs here at TPW have spoken. I’ll speak back, BHO is a piece of shit Marxist, racist and so are his TPW supporters.

    Root is right on. Join the WAR! www.rootforamerica.com

  18. dodsworth Says:

    I’ve voted libertarian for my entire adult life but probably won’t vote for Root. His antiwar “conversion” strikes me as shallow, opportunistic, half-hearted, and shows a lack of understanding of the issues.

  19. Dave Williams Says:

    Oh, I almost forgot; Milnes you looked and sounded like a moron on that video from Penn. Jeans?! WTF over?!

  20. will Says:

    fuck ROOT, im not a for obama either, however this is just plain shit, root wont bring the LP into the mainstream thats for sure

  21. Trent Hill Says:

    Dave,

    You’ll not find but one or two leftists on TPW. Most are hardcore libertarians or hardcore conservatives—and we all dislike Obama.

    But this is a stupid cheapshot—one which we have come to expect from Root.

  22. Thomas L. Knapp Says:

    Anyone who thinks I’m an Obama supporter is on crack. Matter of fact, before that speech, I considered him 100% style, no substance and pretty much all facade.

    The speech, however, was actually good. I still wouldn’t vote for him (the policy hooks he stuck in the speech are enough to ensure that), but it was good. Instead of either crawling under a rock and hoping it would go away, he engaged it. Instead of playing a defensive and divisive race card, he actually used the controversy as an opportunity to take up the reality of racial discomfort (his grandmother), racial anger (Wright), etc. He talked glowingly of how far America has come, traced that progress to the values expressed in the Declaration of Independence, lauded America for how far it has come, and expressed hope that we can get past race entirely.

    After that speech, I’d characterize him as more 80% style, 20% substance and mostly facade. I still won’t vote for him, but at least I finally see a little of what others seem to see in him.

    All of which is neither here nor there with respect to Root’s attempt to make hay with the speech. There were parts of it that Root could have made a principled contrast with. Instead, he decided to go all Hannity/Limbaugh/O’Reilly and feign outrage over Obama telling a perfectly typical and believable story that illustrated an important point on the continuum of American racial relations.

    His other defects aside, Root is proving over and over again that he has a real tin ear for the issues. Nobody on earth except him, not even the 1% of Americans obsessing over the weird tirades of Obama’s former minister—a guy who served in the US Marine Corps and the US Navy, and went to Libya to help bring back a downed American pilot, btw—gives a rat’s ass that Obama mentioned his grandmother.

  23. squawpower Says:

    January 21, 2009 3: 00 pm Good Afternoon President Obama

  24. Dave Williams Says:

    Message to ‘hardcore libertarians’, anarchy is not the answer. A hardcore libertarian is just as bad, or worse than, a Marxist or a Zionist.

  25. George Phillies Says:

    Under the bus? Have we heard this before? Google has….

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,339309,00.html

    HUME: There was one more thing along those lines, which is something he said about a close relative. Let’s listen to it.

    BARNES: Yes.

    (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

    OBAMA: I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community. I can no more disown him than I can disown my white grandmother, a woman who once confessed her fear of black men who passed her by on the street, and who on more than one occasion has uttered racial or ethnic stereotypes that made me cringe.

    (END VIDEO CLIP)

    BARNES: That is not the same at all. What he did was throw his grandmother under the bus.

    By the way, read the exchange. Some of the Fox commentators rose to a higher plane on this topic. According to Google, you can find a broadly similar line from Mr. Medved. One might wonder where the phrase originally came from.

    Wayne also has made some very good libertarian points, especially about helping small businessmen and internet gamblers, but I really think that we can do better than a candidate whose echoes are heard on Fox News. Mind you, I would rather have Mr. Root than a candidate whose positions include

    “...should we vote for speed limits and laws against drunk driving? My personal belief is that these laws do more harm than good.”

    Venting personal spleen against a candidate of an enemy party is tacky, but it is less likely than the above quote to convince voters that we are crazy.

  26. Dave Williams Says:

    “Matter of fact, before that speech, I considered him 100% style, no substance and pretty much all facade. After that speech, I’d characterize him as more 80% style, 20% substance and mostly facade.”

    Knapp, the fact that you considered him anything other than the Marxist that he is says everything anyone needs to know about you.

  27. Dave Williams Says:

    Phillies, I watched your two minute opener the other day from Penn…I agreed with you 100%. You should team up with Root.

  28. Thomas L. Knapp Says:

    George,

    Venting personal spleen against a candidate of an enemy party is tacky, but it will probably cost Root less support than getting catty about Mary Ruwart will cost you … and you can’t afford to lose much support if you don’t want to end up tied with Gibby the Cat on the first ballot.

  29. Dave Williams Says:

    “January 21, 2009 3: 00 pm Good Afternoon President Obama”

    “January 21, 2009 3: 00 pm Good Afternoon President Wright/Farakan/Jackson/Sharpton”

  30. Thomas L. Knapp Says:

    Dave,

    Obama is a Fabian—an electorally-oriented social democrat (and I’m well aware that that’s his 20% substance).

    Marxists are revolutionary socialists.

    The fact that I actually know what a Marxist is while you use it as an undifferentiated epithet says everything anyone needs to know about how the two of us compare.

    Or, in English: Piss off, troll.

  31. Chris Moore Says:

    I just read the speech.

    Wow. I’m with Knapp on this one. That was one HELL of a good speech.

    Tiger Woods says he is a person of many races and cultures and victacrat’s call him an Uncle Tom who disowns his “black” heritage.

    Jose, you might be interested in this line from Obama’s speech:

    I have brothers, sisters, nieces, nephews, uncles and cousins, of every race and every hue, scattered across three continents, and for as long as I live, I will never forget that in no other country on Earth is my story even possible.”

    Not that far off from your Wood’s paraphrase.

    I was surprised upon reading it, but I think Obama managed to give a speech about race without coming close to playing the race card. I’m really impressed.

    I would never vote for the man. Ever. But I gained a little respect for him.

  32. Dave Williams Says:

    Oh, I forgot how many of you TPW posters are actually 9/11 conspiracy theorists…and anti-war…and anti-America…and pro illegal immigration…that’s why you LOVE Obama…and are defending him.

  33. Chris Moore Says:

    And Root … well … like a good former Republican, he’s spinning a story against his opponent. It’s a story designed to capture the attention of those on the right that have not bothered to listen or read what Obama actually said. (You’ll notice that Root failed to quote even one line from Obama’s speech. You would imagine that if Obama had said something so outrageous that it ellicited an editorial from Root, that he would at least quote the outrageous passage.)

    However, it’s not a bad play for Root. Hell, it might get him another round on Beck’s and Medved’s shows.

  34. Tony Says:

    I love to see bleeding-heart, self hating whites trying to justify Obama and his racist wife and pastor. It just makes me laugh to see them squirm with their hypocrisy and contradictions. Oh joy!

    As a matter of fact, I find these nutty liberal types the most racist of them all, because if they truly were neutral they would kick Obama and his racist sideshow to the curb, JUST AS THEY WOULD ANY WHITE CANDIDATE.

  35. Dave Williams Says:

    Knapp,

    Check out the ‘featured video’ of a FOX26 news report here in Houston. http://www.glennbeck.com/ @ 0:15 sec a photo of BHO is shown right next to Che Guevara on a Cuban flag.

    I know what a Marxist is, Guevara is a Marxist…you can call BHO whatever you want, but it’s not going to change the fact that he is a racist, anti-American, Marxist, who is trying to water the facts down ‘by giving great speeches filled with hope’ so assholes like you will relate and call him “a Fabian—an electorally-oriented social democrat”.

  36. Dave Williams Says:

    Tony, I concur. If John McCain were associated with say…David Duke, well, we know what would have happened already don’t we.

  37. Nigel Watt Says:

    This is really a clusterfuck of a nomination race, isn’t it? Phillies supports the Federal Reserve, Root can’t type, and Kubby produces the creepiest videos I’ve seen.

  38. ElfNinosMom Says:

    I’m not an Obama supporter, but Root’s rant is an embarrassment.

    Why is Root so obsessed with Obama? I think that’s the real question, given that he drops Obama’s name and insults him every single chance he gets. I suspect that he is insanely jealous of his old classmate Obama’s success, pure and simple. Perhaps that’s even the real reason Root decided to run for President. Stranger things have happened, after all.

    Al from Cinci: Root did a live blog months ago. He answered only mundane questions, then ran like hell rather than sticking around in the chat to answer the real questions. If I recall correctly, Susan has a transcript somewhere.

  39. Thomas M. Sipos Says:

    No, Elf, I don’t that’s it.

    I think Root is saying whatever he thinks we want to hear. He’s attacking Obama because he thinks that will go over well with most Libertarian delegates. I’m sure Root would praise Obama if he thought that was the popular thing to say.

    My gut tells me Root wants the nomination for his own personal benefit. He’s an opportunist, his conversion too quick and extreme to be believable. He imagines the LP nom will boost his profile, get him more media attention, better book deals, etc.

    “C’mon guys, whadaya want me to say? I’m the new Obama, the anti-Obama, wha? I wanna be your leader. What can I say to close this deal?”

  40. Andrew Taylor Says:

    In spite of all of his faults, I was willing to give Wayne Allyn Root a pass, and actually consider voting for him…until I read this absolute, complete, total and utter nonsense. I’m glad Root distributed his stupidity far and wide before I wasted some of my hard-earned money and made a contribution to his campaign.

    It has become clear to me that Mr. Root needs to spend more time around Libertarians before presuming to seek the party’s nomination. Were he to do so, he would discover that the vast majority of us do not slavishly follow the talking points of Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity, Hugh Hewitt, Rush Limbaugh, Bill O’Reilly, and the rest of the talk radio Republican sycophants. Indeed, many of us find these theocratic cretins as frightening, if not more so, than the likes of Obama and Hillary Clinton.

    A lackluster candidate seeking the GOP nomination for a congressional seat (read: Chris Peden) even could do better than this. That’s how bad it is.

    And no, Dave Williams, I know of no authentic, genuine or sincere Libertarians who support Obama Barack, including myself. However, I do know that there are supposed Libertarians (such as Eric Dondero, who virtually created the entire Libertarian movement single-handedly, according to himself) who are willing to cast a vote for a decidedly non-Libertarian like John McCain.

  41. paulie Says:

    Oh, I forgot how many of you TPW posters are actually 9/11 conspiracy theorists…and anti-war…and anti-America…and pro illegal immigration…that’s why you LOVE Obama…and are defending him.

    Actually, in my case

    1) Yes. I’m a 9/11 conspiracy theorist. The planes did not go off course through independent coincidence. Whoever did it engaged in a conspiracy. Maybe it really was the 19 Arabs with boxcutters and the kooky dude in the cave, but the US regime will have to do a much better job to convince me of that than they did with the Ommission Report, and they are not exactly a reliable source. Maybe it was a different conspiracy.

    2) Antiwar. Absolutely. I believe in defensive war. This ain’t it.

    3) Anti-America. Maybe. It depends on whether you mean the regime or the people at large. First, yes. Second, no.

    4) Pro-illegal immigration. Absolutely not! I want to legalize it, which would make it legal immigration.

    5) I hate Obama. And HRH Clinton. And McCain, the Manchurian Candidate. Ain’t voting for any of them. If someone puts a gun to my head and says I have to choose, and those are my only choices, please pull the trigger.

    6) I don’t hate Wayne Root. I don’t think he’s the best person to represent the LP in the presidential race at all. Certainly not yet. Maybe in four years. Maybe not.

  42. paulie Says:

    This is really a clusterfuck of a nomination race, isn’t it? Phillies supports the Federal Reserve, Root can’t type, and Kubby produces the creepiest videos I’ve seen.

    Word is Mary Ruwart will announce on Friday.

  43. Wes Benedict Says:

    I gained respect for Obama based on his speech. I thought he handled the race relations issues very well. He’d have earned more points with me if he’d admitted sometimes he’s said racially offensive things or had racially offensive thoughts.

  44. paulie Says:

    Yeah, he might have an actual chance to beat HRH Clinton now, as if it makes any difference.

  45. matt Says:

    Wes,

    That just isn’t how sainthood works. Obama is above racism because he has transcended bad feelings. You can either choose to transcend with him or continue to be part of the problem in this country

    /sarc

  46. Dave Williams Says:

    Steve Gordon,

    I’d like to thank you for posting this article. I already new BHO was a Marxist, but you’ve prompted me to research a little further and for that, much thanks.

    This is not about WAR, this is not about BHO’s granny, this is about Marxist extremists taking over America…using the BLA’s formula. A Marxist is a Marxist regardless of his/her skin color or financial background (Lenin was a wealthy white man, he led the Bolsheviks to victory because he wanted absolute power.)

    From Wiki;
    “The Black Liberation Army (BLA) was an underground, black nationalist-Marxist organization that operated in the United States from 1971 to 1981. Composed largely of former Black Panthers (BPP), the organization’s program was one of “armed struggle” and its stated goal was to “take up arms for the liberation and self-determination of black people in the United States.”[1] To this end, members carried out a series of bombings, robberies (what participants termed “expropriations”) and prison breaks.”

    From the Trinity Church website;
    Black Liberation Theology is what Wright spews and what Obama believes. It is what the Trinity church believes. http://www.tucc.org/talking_points.htm

    The Trinity church places Africa and African people before God. As an atheist I could give a shit about god. As an American, I think that’s fucked up that people who now reside in this country don’t care about it and are working to undermine freedom by continuing to stoke the racial fires (That would go for any bigot, not just these bigots).

    And if the fire is hot enough, from it comes revolution. The Marxist know this, after all, isn’t religion a type of ‘Socialism’, taking a day off from work at the end of the week & sharing everything? So one can see how with the past oppression suffered by these people the two could be combined, and HAS been combined.

    It appears to me that the formally oppressed are foaming at the mouth to take charge and become the very thing that they’ve been railing against. We can thank the white Christian bigots for starting this BLA movement in the states 40 years ago (‘Black Power and Black Theology’ -James H. Cone), as I also thank them for our failed middle eastern foreign policy over the past 40 years.

    Folks need to realize that every culture on this planet at some point in time has been subjugated, massacred, oppressed, enslaved, it’s how shit was done (and still is done in some parts of the world). It’s time for black extremists to drop the ‘we got fucked by Whitey and Whitey will pay for it’ rhetoric. It is time to move beyond those horrible times…not revert back to them.

    Minor Threat summed it up this way…

    I’m sorry
    For something I didn’t do
    Lynched somebody
    But I don’t know who
    You blame me for slavery
    A hundred years before I was born

    Guilty of being white

    I’m a convict
    Of a racist crime
    I’ve only served
    19 years of my time

    Guilty of being white

    So, a radical is a radical…no matter what religion/ideology they choose to hide behind. Extremism is the enemy, this country needs balance, moderation, tolerance, respect. Not hate spewed from the pulpit.

  47. Dave Williams Says:

    ‘Knew’

  48. Eric Dondero Says:

    Finally a Libertarian with guts to attack Obama. Reason.com, Knappster, LP.org, certainlly all the Leftwing Libertarian sites have given Obama a free pass.

    Root is the best thing that has happened to the Libertarian Party since Ed Clark. If the LP is too stupid not to nominate him in May, I’ll vote for McCain. I’m no fan of McCain’s, but I won’t be able to support a Party that doesn’t understand the importance of media, and playing in the big leagues with the big boys in American politics.

    Go Wayne

  49. Eric Dondero Says:

    Andrew, me cast a vote for McCain?

    Um, excuse me, but what choice are you knuckleheads in the Libertarian Party giving me?

    I cannot support some anti-War extremist like many of the current crop of LP candidates are. But even more importantly, I cannot support anyone who doesn’t understand the importance of media, and expanding the base of the Libertarian Party.

    This may shock you, but I might be able to support George Phillies if he’s the LP nominee. Why?

    I can’t stand George on his anti-War stances. But he understands the importance of LP outreach beyond the very narrow base of LP purists, the kind of strategy Tom Knapp endorses.

    The Knappy-heads want to keep the LP small and pure. No salesman like Root allowed. And if you speak well, and give a good polished presentation that’s even worse, as far as they are concerned.

    The Goofier, and the Dweebier, and the worse the YouTube videos you produce are, the better chance you have with the hard-line Knappy-heads.

  50. Eric Dondero Says:

    And for the record, I will NOT vote for McCain if he chooses some boring-ass “safe pick” white guy from the Mid-West like Tim “yawn” Pawlenty, or Rob Portman as his VP.

    I will vote for him if he picks Palin, Sanford, Otter, JC Watts, Michael Steele, Chris Cox, or some other exciting VP choice.

    For me, at this point, it all comes down to who McCain picks for VP, and who the Libertarian Party picks for Prez.

  51. Eric Dondero Says:

    Andrew, you mean the vast majority of Leftwing Libertarians don’t follow Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Rush, et.al.

    You forgot that the libertarian movement is made up of two wings: Leftwing Libertarians and Rightwing Libertarians.

    Many of us Rightwing Libertarians have been uncomfortable with Root’s move towards the middle of the movement. I’ve heard numerous complaints of Libertarian Republicans who had said lately that Root is sounding “too liberal on foreign policy” these days.

    Go ahead, don’t nominate Root. Pick some Leftwing Anarchist type who has Tom Knapp’s blessing. Then sit back and watch a massive move from Rightwingers within the Libertarian Party itself, together with Republican Liberty Caucus types, joining forces and moving en masse to McCain.

    It’s already starting to happen. Hardcore libertarians like Jim Fryar (Real World Libertarian), Ryan Christiano (Libertarian Defense Caucus), Patrick Jubert (Born Again Redneck), Tom Bowler (Libertarian Leanings from NH), Don Murphey (Marijuana Legalization PAC from MD), et.al. are blogging daily for McCain.

    Maybe a split right down the middle between Rightwing libertarians and the Libertarian Left will be helpful to our movement?

  52. Michael H. Wilson Says:

    Boot the Root!

  53. BillTx Says:

    My imitation of Dave Williams:

    “MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST! MARXIST!”

    LOL. Go away, dumbass.

  54. Andrew Taylor Says:

    Mr. Dondero,

    I consider myself a “Right-Wing Libertarian.” I initially registered Republican when I turned 18. I cast my first vote for Ronald Reagan in my state’s GOP primary in 1980. However, as I saw the increasing power of the theocratic religious right within the GOP (for the record, I am a Protestant Christian, and attend church every week) in the late 1980’s, I jumped ship from the GOP and joined the LP. I’ve been a member ever since.

    As a career member of the armed forces (USMC), I am all in favor of a strong national defense. I’m not an anarchist; I believe that national defense is one of the duties of a very small and very limited federal government. But I, and every single current and former armed forces member whom I personally know (and that’s a lot of people), thinks we had absolutely no business invading Iraq. People who swabbed decks and procured prostitutes while putting in their time in the military may have a different view, but those of us who have actually been shot at in combat are happy to lay down our lives for our country, as long as it’s for our country, and not some pack of lies sold to a gullible nation by a rogue president under the control of a neoconservative cabal.

    I really couldn’t care less what self-proclaimed “Libertarians” are “blogging” for McCain. How on earth can anyone who is an authentic Libertarian justify casting a vote for the man? He doesn’t have a single libertarian instinct whatsoever—save (perhaps) his dislike for pork. If you and your “libertarian” pro-Iraq War buddies don’t like the LP nominee, why vote at all in the presidential race? You cannot vote for Dr. Mary Ruwart, an authentic Libertarian, because she helped David Bergland get the LP nomination, but you can and will vote for John McCain, who wants to criminalize DHEA (now there’s a man who would end the “War on Drugs”!), who panders to theocrats like John Hagee and Rod Parsley, etc., etc., ad infinitum, ad nauseum? Your definition of “libertarianism” is certainly flexible—so flexible, in fact, that it distorts it beyond all recognition.

    In fairness to you, at least you’re not running for the LP presidential nomination yourself, unlike obviously non-Libertarian candidates such as the accused stalker Milnes and the obviously insane Imperato.

  55. Andy Says:

    “Eric Dondero Says:

    March 19th, 2008 at 7:55 pm
    Finally a Libertarian with guts to attack Obama. Reason.com, Knappster, LP.org, certainlly all the Leftwing Libertarian sites have given Obama a free pass.”

    Eric, don’t you remember that I’ve been attacking Obama for months? Obama SUCKS! He’d make a horrible President. He’s a con-man.

    Obama is a clear case of style over substance. He talks about “change” but the only change that he really represents is taking bad and moving it to worse. Obama wants to “move us forward,” as in moving us into more socialism and global government.

    He is getting a “pass” because he’s got this image as the “charismatic, compassionate, black guy” and unfortunately a lot of naive people are buying into his bullshit.

    I don’t like Hillary or McCain either, but even they don’t seem to be getting the “pass” that Obama is recieving, and this makes me want to puke. The fact of the matter is that we are SCREWED no matter which one of them gets the White House.

  56. Robert Milnes Says:

    Dave Williams, how can I be anti-American if I say we should emulate Teddy Roosevelt? (more or less)

  57. Robert Milnes Says:

    Andrew Taylor, I beg your pardon. I was never charged with stalking.

  58. Robert Milnes Says:

    For the record, I don’t support Obama, Clinton or McCain. I don’t give them a pass either.

  59. Hugh Jass Says:

    “Dave Williams, how can I be anti-American if I say we should emulate Teddy Roosevelt? (more or less)”

    1. Teddy Roosevelt WAS anti-American. hge laid forward the path toward neoconservatism in the United States, the idea the the U.S. had the obligation to bully other countries around. He was arguably the fourth least libertarian president in history (after Lincoln, Wilson, and FDR).

    2. Dave Williams is also anti-American for believing the U.S. could wage undeclared offensive war.

  60. Eric Dondero Says:

    Andrew, how can one justify voting for McCain if one is a libertarian? Because maybe the Libertarian Party may not give them any choice, ala 2004.

    I was all set to vote and support Gary Nolan or Aaron Russo. They were both great candidates. Then the LP screwed the pooch by nominating that kunbskull Badnarik. What a dissaster.

    Something tells me they are preparing to make the same mistake again. They’ve managed to - unbelievably! - attract a high class candidate like Wayne Root. Who would have ever thought someone like Root would even consider the LP.

    Now, instead of rallying behind the most capable Libertarian Presidential candidate since Ed Clark, many are supporting other candidates for the nomination.

    I cannot believe the mentality of the LP Libertarian. It’s almost like “We wanna fail… Success is bad… Obscurity is good… Celebrity is bad… Less votes good… More votes bad…”

    Why would I or other Republican-leaning libertarians vote for McCain? Cause the Libertarian Party may not give us any other choice.

  61. Nigel Watt Says:

    Word is Mary Ruwart will announce on Friday.

    That might help things out. Looking forward to more options, at least.

  62. Robert Milnes Says:

    Andy, “The fact of the matter is that we are SCREWED no matter which one of them gets the White House.” Agreed. So why isn’t everybody supporting the progressive alliance strategy?- which is the only chance I see for anybody else getting the White House.

  63. Dave Williams Says:

    “2. Dave Williams is also anti-American for believing the U.S. could wage undeclared offensive war.”

    Ummm, no Jack Ass. I am for taking out terrorist cells, which I did participate in doing, not shit like the farce in Iraq…that is way fucking to far.

  64. Dave Williams Says:

    “Dave Williams, how can I be anti-American if I say we should emulate Teddy Roosevelt? (more or less)”

    1. Teddy Roosevelt WAS anti-American. hge laid forward the path toward neoconservatism in the United States, the idea the the U.S. had the obligation to bully other countries around. He was arguably the fourth least libertarian president in history (after Lincoln, Wilson, and FDR).

    Jack Ass has answered for me Milnes.

  65. Dave Williams Says:

    “LOL. Go away, dumbass.”

    BillTx, no, I think I’ll stick around just like Root for the next 16years…if nothing else I’ll be the boil on your Marxist ass.

  66. Dave Williams Says:

    “As a career member of the armed forces (USMC), I am all in favor of a strong national defense. I’m not an anarchist; I believe that national defense is one of the duties of a very small and very limited federal government. But I, and every single current and former armed forces member whom I personally know (and that’s a lot of people), thinks we had absolutely no business invading Iraq. People who swabbed decks and procured prostitutes while putting in their time in the military may have a different view, but those of us who have actually been shot at in combat are happy to lay down our lives for our country, as long as it’s for our country, and not some pack of lies sold to a gullible nation by a rogue president under the control of a neoconservative cabal.”

    Well said Taylor.

  67. Brent Burk Says:

    Lots of dialog here, I like it.

    I like how there is history here too. People know each other from the 80s, and yet I laugh. I laugh at the fact that you guys have been taking this seriously and you have yet to win a major office. It’s quite sad, really.

    Why wasn’t there ever a Liberty coalition in the GOP (or Democrat party). I see Ron Paul easily be elected and spew most of the stuff you guys talk about. The former governor of New Mexico, Mark Stanford—I dono if he is libertarian though the congress used to be 433-2 rather than 434-1.

    But you guys choose to have a 3rd party. I don’t get it. Maybe if you had a millionaire run, Ross Perot style. But, I don’t see that happening.

    When can I see a libertarian in Congress, head of state, or head of the union? Anytime soon?

  68. Andy Says:

    “Eric Dondero Says:

    March 19th, 2008 at 9:55 pm
    Andrew, how can one justify voting for McCain if one is a libertarian? Because maybe the Libertarian Party may not give them any choice, ala 2004.

    I was all set to vote and support Gary Nolan or Aaron Russo. They were both great candidates.”

    I don’t see why you’d have supported Gary Nolan or Aaron Russo since both of them were pretty far from some of your views. For instance, both opposed the War in Iraq.

  69. Dave Williams Says:

    Taylor,

    Unfortunately just like me, you’re considered as nothing more than a baby killer on this site…welcome to the war within the war. Anyone who is pro-defense is wrong. And by pro-defense I literally mean DEFENSE, but that still doesn’t jive with most of the folks on this site since we are seen as the ‘pawns of the empire’.

    Dondero’s over the top bullshit, pro-Abu Ghraib torture rants, etc, have not helped any, but hey, it doesn’t matter because we’re just wrong for fighting any war for freedom, even if they did blow up the goddamn pentagon, the world trade center, and kill 3,000 folks, we’re still wrong.

    I see why the LP has been taking it up the ass all these years, by it’s own members nonetheless, and has failed to gain any major ground in the political arena. But I think that that shit is going to change. And unlike Dondero and Spangler (the total anarchy dude) both of which want to see the destruction of the LP, I think folks like you and me can stick around, team up, and beat these radical extremists back, from the left, from the right, religious or ideological.

    BillTx, like I said, I’m not leaving…and like WAR said…”Bring it on!”

  70. Lilith Says:

    Obama in his speech said that his grandma once confessed her fear of black men who passed her by on the streets. If you read Obama’s book “Dreams Of My Father” you’ll find that it was not just some black man she passed by. It was a panhandler who aggressively confronted her at a bus stop demanding money from her and even after she gave him money, he continued to be threatening towards her to the level that she feared if the bus did not arrive soon he would physically assault her. Jesse Jackson said once that he feared passing black men on the street, this lady, a grandmother was confronted by an threatening man. Not only has he lied to us once again, he smeared and used his grandmother, who helped raise him, put him through the best schools and above all else loved him. for his own political purpose. Pathetic.

  71. Dave Williams Says:

    Burk,

    Just spend sometime reading some of these whacky assed posts by the party faithful, party nominees, party employees and it will answer your above questions.

  72. Dave Williams Says:

    BillTx = fear mongering fuck knuckle.

    ‘Bear Stearns collapses…I’m buying a gun…it’s worse than 1929…off with Bush’s head….the sky is falling’...

    No wonder you have ‘0 Comments’ recorded at your shitty little blog…maybe you can put that gun to good use and eat a bullet for us all…please.

  73. Dave Williams Says:

    Lilith,
    What’s really pathetic is how deep this goes, way deeper than ole ‘granny under the bus’. This guy is part of the new BLA.

  74. Austin Wilkes Says:

    Root may be at least partially right about Obama using his grandmother, but his point would have been just as strong with one sentence:

    “What he actually did was throw his own white grandmother under the bus- in order to explain away his shortcomings.”

    In regards to BHO’s speech; When I got that speech in my inbox (on vacation so not reading/watching the news), and listened to it, I knew it would be one of if not the most important 35 minutes this cycle. It was a brilliant speech of the caliber that not been given by a presidential candidate in over a quarter of a century.

  75. Thomas M. Sipos Says:

    Dave Williams: “isn’t religion a type of ‘Socialism’, taking a day off from work at the end of the week & sharing everything?”

    No, because it’s voluntary. When it’s voluntary, I prefer the term, communitarian. Families are communitarian, as are monastaries and church charities.

    Socialism is coercion. The problem is not alturism, but coercion.

    Dondero: “You forgot that the libertarian movement is made up of two wings: Leftwing Libertarians and Rightwing Libertarians.”

    Count me as another “rightwing” libertarian, if that term has any meaning.

    I was a YAFer in high school, and a NY Conservative Party volunteer (same as Root). I voted for Reagan in 1984, and for Ron Paul in 1988. I read National Review, almost cover to cover, for 15 years. I canceled in 2002 when the magazine was getting war-crazy.

    Both Right and Left libertarians oppose empire, foreign interventionism, the war on drugs, the police state, etc. Both Left and Right libertarians support legalized prostitution, gun ownership, property rights, privacy rights, etc.

    The differences between Left and Right libertarians are minor. A slight difference in style and emphasis. I’ve attended libertarian dinner clubs for years before I learned who was Right or Left, because the people were indistinguishable from each other.

    Dondero: “Go ahead, don’t nominate Root. Pick some Leftwing Anarchist type who has Tom Knapp’s blessing. Then sit back and watch a massive move from Rightwingers within the Libertarian Party itself, together with Republican Liberty Caucus types, joining forces and moving en masse to McCain.”

    There won’t be a “massive move” of rightwing libertarians to McCain. There may be a handful of rightwing bogus libertarians who’ll move to McCain, but those people were gonna vote GOP anyway.

    Milnes: “So why isn’t everybody supporting the progressive alliance strategy?”

    Because Teddy Roosevelt is dead?

  76. Dave Williams Says:

    “Both Right and Left libertarians oppose empire, foreign interventionism, the war on drugs, the police state, etc. Both Left and Right libertarians support legalized prostitution, gun ownership, property rights, privacy rights, etc.”

    I concur with your above comment Sipos.

    You’re a smart kinda guy, you know damn well what I was implying about religion/socialism. Some religions are a rudimentary blueprint for Socialism (I did leave out the passing of the plate so one might deposit their required 10%, etc…and no, in the early stages of ones life, religion is not voluntary.).

    If you’re going to take a swipe at me, you’re going to need to do better than that lame assed comment. And if you’re not taking a swipe at me, and are merely joining the conversation, good talking to ya & disregard my last transmission.

  77. Eric Dondero Says:

    Sipos says, “Those were people who were going to vote GOP any way.”

    Maybe? Maybe not?

    Take Jim Fryar and Patrick Jubert for instance. Both of them love Wayne Root. I’m confident that they can both be attracted to the LP and away from McCain if Root is the nominee. Zero chance with Mary Ruwart or anyone else besides Root. Though, maybe Bob Barr could win them over?

    And the libertarian Macaniacs are already hard at work, lobbying the libertarian Root supporters to make the switch.

    With anyone else as the nominee, you’ll get a drastically reduced in size Libertarian Party for ‘08. And an increased in size libertarian wing of the GOP.

    But then again, the LP nominated knucklehead Badnarik over two fine candidates in 2004: Russo and Nolan. So, why should we expect a little thing like “good judgement” get in the way for LP Libertarians?

  78. Eric Dondero Says:

    Sipos, the people you are describing are barely libertarians at all; both “leftwing and rightwing libertarians” by your definition. They sound more like leftwing anarchists.

    Paleos especially are much more leftwing, though people like you mistakenly describe them as “rightwing libertarians.”

    So, what you’ll have with an LP Prez candidate who is not Wayne Root, is two wings of the leftwing libertarian anarchist moving supporting that candidate.

    You will not have TRUE LIBERTARIANS, Barry Goldwater/Dennis Miller/PJ O’Rourke/Dana Rorhabacher types supporting the LP nominee.

    Root (or Bob Barr) is the only one who can keep this TRUE LIBERTARIAN camp in the LP fold.

  79. Eric Dondero Says:

    Sipos, if you support Sharia Law and Islamo-Fascism, even by merely aligning yourself with both, you are a leftwinger. There’s no way to put make-up on a pig, and claim that you are a rightwinger, even with former YAF membership, and having voted for Reagan.

    You’re just a former good guy rightwinger who for some reason has gone over to the dark side and is now supporting fascism/socialism.

    The bad thing is you still claim to be a “libertarian.”

  80. Roscoe Says:

    A guy named Ernsberger, who used to work for Rohrabacher, said at the Penna. LP convention, that Rohrabacher is not a libertarian. I think he would know, because someone told me Ernsberger once was voted the LP’s top activist.

  81. Bill Wood Says:

    Eric, you just went up in my book for using the word “knucklehead”,LOL

  82. dodsworth Says:

    “If the LP is too stupid not to nominate him in May, I’ll vote for McCain.”

    Please Eric, please, please keep this vow. Eric, you have just motivated me to fight harder against Root, especially if an added bonus will be a Dondero/McCain alliance.

    I suspect, however, you will change you your mind if WAR doesn’t get it. You always wanted to be a big fish and in a small pond.

  83. Stefan Says:

    Eric, your logic is truly fascinating, all the more when you contradict your own “logic”: You mention you will vote for Bob Barr, yet Barr is a friend of Ron Paul and has introduced him at CPAC and is anti-Iraq war: and Paul is a “leftwing libertarian” in your definition, so how can you say you will support Bob Barr?
    You truly AMAZING!

  84. Eric Dondero Says:

    Stefan, I have neither seen nor heard any evidence that Bob Barr is opposed to the War on Al Qaeda. I know for a fact that Ron Paul opposes the War on Al Qaeda. I worked for the man for 12 years, and he personally told me on numerous occasions how he opposed War for any reason, and most especially War with Islamic extremists.

    If and when I see or hear Bob Barr expressing similar views, I will most certainly re-think any support I may have for him. As of right now though, I see a great difference between Barr and Paul on foreign policy.

    Barr and Root both seem to be middle-of-the-roaders on foreign policy - not fond of the Iraqi intervention, but certainly opposed to Islamic extremism.

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