Presidential candidates debate at Pennsylvania and New Jersey Libertarian Party Convention

The Libertarian Parties of Pennsylvania and New Jersey held a presidential debate last weekend. Nine of the potential Libertarian Party candidates showed for the event, including: Wayne Allyn Root of Nevada, Christine Smith of Colorado, Alden Link of New York, George Phillies of Massachusetts, Bob Jackson of Michigan, Jim Burns of Nevada, Daniel Imperato of Florida, Robert Milnes of New Jersey and Mike Jingozian of Oregon.

The event was moderated by Ken Krawchuk, who ran for governor of Pennsylvania in 2002. Former Libertarian Party presidential candidate Michael Badnarik was on hand to ask questions, as well. Here’s the video (about 50 seconds of dead time in the beginning):

39 Responses to “Presidential candidates debate at Pennsylvania and New Jersey Libertarian Party Convention”

  1. Robert Milnes Says:

    Like I said near the end. Think about how if we do just a little better than Teddy Roosevelt in 1912, we can win. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._presidential_election_1912

  2. Jackson Says:

    What is with the obsession with Teddy Roosevelt? He was a good president, but what does he have to do with the LP? He bolted from the the Republican party to form the Bull Moose Party that was short lived and failed to win. Then he returned to the republican party. What does this have to do with the LP?

  3. Robert Milnes Says:

    Steve, what in your professional opinion, would happen if I got the LP nomination in May & got matching funds & polled about 15% & got into the debates (& WON of course!) & convinced about 40 million progressives to contribute to the LP & then vote LP in November?

  4. Jason Gatties Says:

    Steve would wake up and say “Wow, what a terrible dream”

  5. Stephen Gordon Says:

    Steve, what in your professional opinion, would happen if I got the LP nomination in May & got matching funds & polled about 15% & got into the debates (& WON of course!) & convinced about 40 million progressives to contribute to the LP & then vote LP in November?

    Robert, you can’t even get 15% of the LP vote, so the point is moot. Got to pass that first step, first.

  6. Robert Milnes Says:

    Jackson, where’s the action? Teddy Roosevelt’s Bull Moose Progressive Party was the most successful third party/independent run in the past 100 years. He “failed to win” i.e. HE ALMOST WON. second place to the dem at 27%That’s what we need to do but a little better! Yes we can! THAT’S where!

  7. Paulie Says:

    Teddy Roosevelt was a horrible president. There was little if anything good about him.

  8. Robert Milnes Says:

    Paulie, that’s your opinion. Why don’t you start a website dedicated to replacing TR on Mount Rushmore with Ron Paul, the anti-TR.

  9. Robert Milnes Says:

    Paulie, & why don’t you tell your mother & your wife & sister & daughter that they can’t vote?

  10. Thomas L. Knapp Says:

    Bob,

    “Steve, what in your professional opinion, would happen if I got the LP nomination in May & got matching funds & polled about 15% & got into the debates (& WON of course!) & convinced about 40 million progressives to contribute to the LP & then vote LP in November?”

    Precisely what funds do you think the government would “match” (if the LP would nominate you, which it won’t, and if the LP would nominate a candidate whom its delegates knew would accept government campaign financing, which it wouldn’t)?

    If you were magically nominated and if Uncle Sugar dumped a few million smackers in your lap to promote yourself with, precisely why do you think that your platform of centrist Democrat economics (“Clintonomics”), eugenics, compensated emigration of African-Americans, continued US entanglement in Iraq, etc. would garner the support of “40 million progressives,” few of whom agree with any, let alone all, of it?

    I will give you credit—now that you’ve attended a convention and debated your opponents, you deserve credit for actually having campaigned. I’ll be interested in seeing the reaction to your performance. At least you’re no longer in the position of insisting that the mountain come to Mohammed in order to be treated to multiple invocations of “Bull Moose, 40 million progressives, Progressive Alliance.”

  11. Paulie Says:

    Paulie, that’s your opinion.

    It most certainly s, for very good reason, and it s also the opinion of people who call themselves liertarians (ther than you).


    Why don’t you start a website dedicated to replacing TR on Mount Rushmore with Ron Paul, the anti-TR.

    Because I dion’t care about who is on Mout Rushmore. I am not of a Lincoln fan either, nor for that mater of Washington and Jefferson duringtheir time as presidents, although the did some better things prior to that time.

    Paulie, & why don’t you tell your mother & your wife & sister & daughter that they can’t vote?

    The Nineteenth Amendment was specifically intended to extend suffrage to women. It was proposed on June 4, 1919 and ratified on August 18, 1920.

  12. Paulie Says:

    liertarians (ther than you).

    Internet Explorer sucks.

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  13. Robert Milnes Says:

    Tom, I always appreciate your reality check despite its pessimistic overtones.

  14. Robert Milnes Says:

    Tom, if Ronulans can get their contributions back & give it to me, be glad to forgo matching funds.

  15. Robert Milnes Says:

    Paulie, the 19th amendment was a product of the progressive era. Gotcha!

  16. Andrew Taylor Says:

    “Steve, what in your professional opinion, would happen if I got the LP nomination in May & got matching funds & polled about 15% & got into the debates (& WON of course!) & convinced about 40 million progressives to contribute to the LP & then vote LP in November?”

    BWAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

    ROTFLMAO!

    Milnes, you have quite the imagination. About 20 years ago, you deluded yourself into thinking that a Pennsylvania television news anchor would welcome your “fan mail.” Instead, becoming known as a stalker was your ticket to your proverbial 15 minutes of fame.

    Do you really and truly believe that you could ever possibly be elected president? Even under the most extraordinary of circumstances? Apparently so. That alone disqualifies you from serious consideration for the LP nomination, as anyone who thinks that they can actually win the presidency at this point in America’s and the LP’s history is out of his or her mind.

    As some wag over at the Reason “Hit and Run” blog wrote, back when some were still predicting that Ron Paul could become the GOP nominee, that would only happen if all of the other candidates except Paul and Romney orally serviced one another, and Mitt Romney took snapshots—and even then Romney would still be the odds-on favorite! LOL!

    Just like Deborah Knapp, your interest in the LP is not returned. Why not do something more productive with your efforts, money, and time—and finally demonstrate the sanity you’re always claiming that you possess?

  17. Paulie Says:

    Paulie, the 19th amendment was a product of the progressive era. Gotcha!

    I thoght you were trying to pimp Teddy Roosevelt as a great president?

  18. Robert Milnes Says:

    Andrew Taylor, don’t you know I was not charged with stalking or don’t you care? Actually, one of the first things I would do as president is order the AG to not oppose my motion pursuant to 28 USC Section 2255 & FRCrP 32d for an Evidentiary hearing pursuant to Rule 8-Withdrawal of Guilty Plea after conviction. A fair & open hearing on the evidence. Let’s have a little do-over on that one if you please. & I’ll be sure to have compatible & not ineffective counsel & even if you read the papers, it wasn’t found out except by ME via FOIPA much later that latent fingerprints were found on those letters. Mine & identity redacted. I wonder who could have left their fingerprints on them (been reading those letters?) since I testified at allocution that I & I alone wrote & then sealed them.. This is prosecutory misconduct by withholding exculpatory evidence. & that’s just the beginning of my several grounds & let’s be fair & disqualify ALL the LP presidential candidates for being crazy for even trying or saying they will try,to win.

  19. Robert Milnes Says:

    Lunatic fringe, indeed.

  20. disinter Says:

    Good lord Milnes is even more retarded in person.

    My votes based on this video:

    1) Root
    2) Phillies
    3) Smith

  21. disinter Says:

    if the LP would nominate you, which it won’t

    Don’t bet the farm. The LP nominated Badnarik over Nolan and Russo, after all.

  22. Dave Williams Says:

    No fucking way…disinter are you serious?! Root as numero uno?! Awesome…the disgruntled masses are coming around. www.rootforamerica.com

  23. Thomas L. Knapp Says:

    Mike,

    Yes, the LP nominated Badnarik over Russo and Nolan (and I thought that was a HUGE mistake).

    However, regardless of how little you like Badnarik, he was a thousand miles ahead of Bob in terms of actually campaigning for the nomination. He put 20,000 miles on a Kia going to every LP event that would have him. I know he hit Missouri AT LEAST three times pre-nomination. He wrote a book and self-published it ahead of the nomination. He showed up at the convention with produced television ads that he ran on a TV at his campaign’s booth right outside the convention hall. And he kicked ass in the pre-nomination debate.

    Frankly, he also busted his ass AFTER the nomination. I saw it firsthand. The guy was a machine. He showed up in St. Louis to get arrested at the presidential debate, wore me out walking the crowd and the marches, went to jail for a few hours, got out, got on a small plane, went to Kansas City that morning, addressed a rally, got back on the plane, went to Carbondale IL that afternoon, addressed another rally … I picked him up in Carbondale to bring him back to St. Louis. He did an interview on the phone after the rally, then another one in the car on the way to St. Louis, then hopped out of the car to get to his hotel room because he had another one scheduled, and the next morning he was on a plane to the next gig. That was 24 hours of his campaign, and I probably didn’t get all of it, and he did that day in and day out for FIVE MONTHS. I think he scheduled one day off during that five months for R&R (his birthday).

    The LP got its money’s worth and then some out of Badnarik’s campaign. He polled not far behind Ron Paul 1988 on 1/3 the money and 1/3 the time in saddle as the nominee.

  24. Brent Burk Says:

    Carbondale, IL? My Grandma lives near there, I wanted to go to college at SIU.

    Random though :) back to the debate.

  25. Andy Says:

    “Thomas L. Knapp Says:

    March 17th, 2008 at 2:49 pm
    Mike,

    Yes, the LP nominated Badnarik over Russo and Nolan (and I thought that was a HUGE mistake).

    However, regardless of how little you like Badnarik, he was a thousand miles ahead of Bob in terms of actually campaigning for the nomination. He put 20,000 miles on a Kia going to every LP event that would have him. I know he hit Missouri AT LEAST three times pre-nomination. He wrote a book and self-published it ahead of the nomination. He showed up at the convention with produced television ads that he ran on a TV at his campaign’s booth right outside the convention hall. And he kicked ass in the pre-nomination debate.

    Frankly, he also busted his ass AFTER the nomination. I saw it firsthand. The guy was a machine. He showed up in St. Louis to get arrested at the presidential debate, wore me out walking the crowd and the marches, went to jail for a few hours, got out, got on a small plane, went to Kansas City that morning, addressed a rally, got back on the plane, went to Carbondale IL that afternoon, addressed another rally … I picked him up in Carbondale to bring him back to St. Louis. He did an interview on the phone after the rally, then another one in the car on the way to St. Louis, then hopped out of the car to get to his hotel room because he had another one scheduled, and the next morning he was on a plane to the next gig. That was 24 hours of his campaign, and I probably didn’t get all of it, and he did that day in and day out for FIVE MONTHS. I think he scheduled one day off during that five months for R&R (his birthday).”

    I wish that Badnarik’s campaign for Congress hadn’t screwed up so badly because if that hadn’t happened he’d probably be running for the LP nomination for President this year. Given how weak the field is this time I think that he probably could have won the nomination again.

    “The LP got its money’s worth and then some out of Badnarik’s campaign. He polled not far behind Ron Paul 1988 on 1/3 the money and 1/3 the time in saddle as the nominee.”

    Badnarik did pretty good given the limited resources that he had to work with, but it should be noted that in 1988 there was no internet (the internet is a MAJOR help to non-mainstream candidates), the population of the country was lower in 1988, and the Libertarian Party was in a weaker condition prior to 1988 than it was prior to 2004 (I think that Ron was on the ballot in less states than Badnarik).

  26. johncjackson Says:

    There was no internet, but there were newsletters with thousands of subscribers.

  27. Andy Says:

    “johncjackson Says:

    March 17th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
    There was no internet, but there were newsletters with thousands of subscribers.”

    Far more people have access to the internet and the internet and information flows MUCH QUICKER on the internet.

  28. Richie Says:

    Ok… I started to watch the debate, and there’s something I had to point out before I continue. What’s wrong with WAR?!? He can’t keep himself in one place!

  29. Chris Moore Says:

    Phillies has gotten much better!

    I almost fell asleep listening to the first six candidates give their opening statements. Phillies woke me up, Root got me fired up, and Smith didn’t make me fall back asleep.

    My picks:

    1. Root
    2. Phillies
    3. Smith
    4. Jingozian
    5. everyone else

    I’m starting to fall for Root. I’m a little scared by that.

  30. Eric Dondero Says:

    Just watched the video. My picks:

    1. Root
    2. Phillies
    3. Jingozian
    4. Smith

    Root just stood out. Man, he’s got a powerful speaking voice. He grabs your attention.

    Phillies has improved dramatically. He must have taken speech lessons or something. I don’t like his anti-War message, but I increasingly like his delivery and image.

    Jingozian is just a good looking guy. And I say that as a very straight heterosexual male. Is it just me, or has he lost some weight from earlier photos?

    Smith surprised me. She looked more polished than I would have imagined.

    The others were just awful. Get them off the stage. Who in the hell is that guy that wore the blue jeans? Worst of them all.

    And where does this Imperator guy get all his money from?

  31. Richie Says:

    LOL! Eric! The guy that wore jeans was Milnes!

  32. Robert Milnes Says:

    Eric, You pick Root first & say I was the worst. THAT says a LOT!

  33. Brent Burk Says:

    Robert,

    Let’s be honest, you need to have some speech lessons before you can say anything about Root.

  34. Eric Dondero Says:

    Holy Shit! Milnes, that was you?

    Dude, you need to clean up your act. That was a pitifully bad performance. You were the worst of the entire field.

  35. Robert Milnes Says:

    Brent Burke, Well, technically I didn’t say anything about Root there. Only going by what Eric said. Root could be anybody there. But, agreed. I’ve never had speech lesson. Dropped out of H.S. so no Debate Society. I mentioned before that upon seeing this video I was urprised at how soft spoken & unanimated I am. Unlike Root & Phillies. Smith seems fast spoken & shrill & has that Root-like back & forth movement. Agreed. Hopefully I’ll get better.

  36. Robert Milnes Says:

    Eric, no shit, that was me swabbie! Care to be a little more specific as to how I was the worst?

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