We Omit; You Decide

For some reason, Fox News continues to disregard the fact that Ron Paul is one of the GOP presidential candidates and he didn’t ignore Nevada like most of the presidential candidates.

I received the graphic above in my e-mail (click to enlarge) and don’t know to whom the credit is due. However, this screenshot was obviously taken of Fox News coverage of the Nevada results. For some reason, they failed to mention the #2 candidate, although they covered #1, #3 and #4.

Of course, most folks can easily figure out that Ron Paul was the candidate they “accidentally” forgot to cover.

Considering Paul’s exclusion from the New Hampshire debate, this incident, and a variety of snide remarks made by Fox commentators, it’s starting to look like Fox News has a political agenda. I wonder how this squares with campaign finance regulations, as corporations aren’t supposed to be making in-kind contributions to federal campaigns. I may disagree with the regulations, but it seems that John McCain shouldn’t be able to benefit like this from a regulation which bears his name.

UPDATE: It looks like Fox is continuing with the same general level of distortion regarding incoming South Carolina results. I’ve been watching the results come in at CNN and haven’t seen any point around the time this particular screen shot was taken when Giuliani was ahead of Paul.

108 Responses to “We Omit; You Decide”

  1. Shannon Says:

    Thank you Third Party Watch. We have heard reports of this all day. Including CNN using outdated polls to reflect inaccurate 10% of the vote counted to show Paul in 3rd place in Nevada. Our international audience is watching and commenting across the globe they are receiving different information as well. It’s no wonder http://whowouldtheworldelect.com/ is showing strong support for Ron Paul. They see the American people being robbed of a great potential president.

  2. Eric Dondero Says:

    Perhaps Fox has figured out that having someone whose chummy with Don Black and David Duke in the Republican Party is not the best image that the GOP wants to portray to the American electorate. Particularly in Texas where the Hispanic vote is so important.

    If Ron Paul denounces the quasi-Racist remarks in his Newsletters, and fesses up for his role in the editing and writing the Newsletters, maybe things would be different. But as it stands now, he’s got an aura of “Insensitivity” at the very least to American Minorities.

  3. Micah Says:

    Eric Dondero is a jilted little man. So sad, Eric. Go kill some towelheads and you’ll feel better.

  4. Jan Says:

    Mr Dondero, didn’t you get fired for writing racist remarks in Dr. Paul’s newsletters?

  5. James Moore Says:

    Mr. Dondero has been hard at work being like the little Dutch boy, trying to put his finger in the dam. But it’s not working, the message is still flooding out all around him.

    Go Ron Paul!

  6. Steven R Linnabary Says:

    Faux News is quickly trivializing their own news (views??).

    It reminds me of the last time I tried to watch election returns on any network news. In 1998, I happened to settle on CBS. I was particularly interested in the Minnesota gubernatorial race, along with a few other races.

    For the Minnesota race, the board only showed Humphrey and Coleman, each getting 50%. Dan Rather kept saying it was a close race, likely to go on long into the night.

    Now, I was aware that Jesse Ventura was likely to poll at least 15%, as his polling kept climbing in the days leading up to election day. Ventura ended up winning that night.

    Hilariously, CBS also showed the Vermont House race, with the Republican running unopposed and losing with only 17% of the vote. Bernie Saunders easily won reelection that night.

    Since 1998, I have used the internet exclusively for any information I needed for election results.

    Faux News is only digging their own grave. Their epitaph may as well be “We omited, you decided”.

    PEACE
    Steve

  7. Micah Says:

    Did I mention that Carl Cameron is a bitch?

    http://criminalthoughts.com/2008/01/19/breaking-news/

  8. RickH Says:

    Justin Raimondo wrote the definitive debunking of the New Republic article, and the Cato crowds piling-on antics a few days ago. It’s here:
    http://www.takimag.com/site/article/why_the_beltway_libertarians_are_trying_to_smear_ron_paul/

    Things have been mighty quiet from DC since then. I guess Dondero didn’t get the word.

  9. Dennis Says:

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  10. izatayat Says:

    Donderdo, don’t speak for minorities—a white man speaking for minorities…. that’s “rich”.

    It’s all over the internet that YOU are the one who wrote the racist newsletter and you are trying to put it on Dr. Paul because YOU are afraid of getting exposed. After all, YOU were fired, right?

    Ron Paul ought to sue you for your slander AND harrassment since you come on the internet and post your disgrunted ‘I was fired, have obsessive-compulsive disorder, and have an agenda” message.

  11. Chris Bennett Says:

    Eric Dondero has it in for all those who don’t believe what he believes and doesn’t kiss his ass. But he does add to the comedic value on these posts. Maybe him and his buddy Stanhope should do a comedy routine together.

  12. Darren Says:

    Nice myspace page Eric!
    http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=275357223

  13. Jeff Says:

    Eric’s still sour about being fired by Dr. Paul I see….cry me a river loser.

  14. Shannon Says:

    Proof is in the pudding. We know you anit-paulites are in our forums so, make sure you happen across this thread that confirms deception by the media.

    http://www.ronpaulforums.com/showthread.php?t=94974

  15. George Dance Says:

    How Eric Dondero’s “Libertarian Republican” blog headlined today’s NV election story:

    “Mitt Romney clobbers Ron Paul with big Nevada win”

    I am not making this up.

    http://libertarianrepublican.blogspot.com/2008/01/mitt-romney-clobbers-ron-paul-with-big.html

  16. Steven R Linnabary Says:

    The official SC Sec of State page:

    http://www.state.sc.us/cgi-bin/scsec/scsec-repprisw-011908.pl

    RP is a distant 5th, but at least he is doubling Julie Annie’s vote total.

    PEACE
    Steve

  17. Eric Dondero Says:

    George, are you saying I’m lying?

    The reports are that Romney got 53% to Ron Paul’s 13%. Are you saying that that’s not true? You one of those conspiratorialists maybe, crying fraud? Romney didn’t really win did he?

  18. T.A. Says:

    “Donero” is at it again, wow,
    Googling “Ron Paul” like a calf follows a cow.

    Perhaps Fox news is looking for a few new hosts?
    “Donero” could be the one who does all their smearing anti-Paul posts.

    Fox & “Donero,” two peas in a pod,
    “Fair & balanced like the turds we’ve left behind us on the sod.”

    Seems like an obsessive & a blatant news bias could be two true friends,
    Headless, they’d run together around like a couple of unthinking hens.

    Sorry, “Donero,” you, Hannity & O’Spinly make us all sick,
    Your politics are pleasant as a dog who just licked a calf’s ass’ friendly lick.

  19. Fred C. Says:

    Dondero might be more qualified to speak for minorities than some people think.

    How was Mexico, Donderito?

  20. Micah Says:

    Eric,

    It’s indicative of your bias. I thought you were still trying out silk panties to be like your hero Rudy. You switched teams? Boy, you vote principle, don’t you.

    Just wait till the field thins out a bit and everyone starts hitting Mitt for the spoiled-rich-guy-buying-the-white-house that he is. Mitt won’t be the nominee.

    But you’ll still be a douche. Congratulations.

  21. paulie Says:

    If Eric had written the newsletters, I think the campaign would have said so.

    Sorry guys, that dog won’t hunt.

  22. Tom Blanton Says:

    Yo Dondero, it looks like Ron Paul beat your boy, Giuliani, in South Carolina and Nevada. Giuliani came in 6th in both states. He’s toast. I don’t think Thompson is going to last much longer either. I guess Romney or McCain will suddenly morph into “libertarians” and you’ll be telling us to support them.

  23. paulie Says:

    Considering Paul’s exclusion from the New Hampshire debate, this incident, and a variety of snide remarks made by Fox commentators, it’s starting to look like Fox News has a political agenda. I wonder how this squares with campaign finance regulations, as corporations aren’t supposed to be making in-kind contributions to federal campaigns. I may disagree with the regulations, but it seems that John McCain shouldn’t be able to benefit like this from a regulation which bears his name.

    Steve, I think you may be on to something here. I’m not a big fan of rules that say that broadcasters have to act in the public interest, but those rules exist, and should be applied in this case.

    Broadcast stations each have an FCC public comment file. For those who leave such comments, please make sure to specifically state that the station is not acting in the community interest.

  24. Shannon Says:

    This is a conspiracy. If you watched the debate Ron Paul never said anyone of this. This is journalism disected and cropped to spin a mans opion of foreign policy.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRIE8wUFHt4

  25. paulie Says:

    Yo Dondero, it looks like Ron Paul beat your boy, Giuliani, in South Carolina and Nevada. Giuliani came in 6th in both states. He’s toast. I don’t think Thompson is going to last much longer either. I guess Romney or McCain will suddenly morph into “libertarians” and you’ll be telling us to support them.

    Tom, you haven’t kept up with the news. Romney has been a “libertarian” for some time now. McCain isn’t yet, but probably will be if he becomes the Republican nominee apprarent. .

  26. Eric Dondero Says:

    Tom, you haven’t kept up with the news. Paul Frankel has moved to Alabama from Michigan.

  27. Eric Dondero Says:

    Or maybe you will suddenly morph into a libetarian Blanton. Pretty hard to do considering you’re basically a Fascist.

  28. Eric Dondero Says:

    Boy, the Ron Paul Cultists will pull just about anything out of their asses to claim “victory.”

    A 13% showing in Nevada. And that’s a “huge victory for Paul.”

    Now, a 3.6% showing in South Carolina in 5th place, behind the next place finisher Mitt Romey with 15.2% and what do they do? Beat up on the one guy - Giuliani - who hasn’t campaigned in the State since last August.

    Yup, Paul beats Giuliani 3.6% to 2.4%, and that’s a “victory.”

    Funny the Paul Cultists don’t mention Romney beating their guy 15.2% to 3.6%.

  29. Jay Matthews Says:

    “it’s starting to look like Fox News has a political agenda.”

    Stephen, please tell us you aren’t only realizing this now.

  30. Eric Dondero Says:

    T.A. is at it again. Too much of a pussy boy to post under his own name. Nope, he’s got to hide behind initials. Kind of like Frankel who hides behind various versions of “Paulie.”

  31. paulie Says:

    LOL. Eric shows shoddy research skills again. I never lived in Michigan.

  32. paulie Says:

    Who’s hiding?

  33. Micah Says:

    “Yup, Paul beats Giuliani 3.6% to 2.4%, and that’s a “victory.””

    Last I checked, 3.6% is more than 2.4%. Are you gonna school all the kids on how you have superior math skills cause you support the war on terror?

    You imply by your comments that Paul spent more time in SC than da maya. Not so. Your cross-dressing dream boat is just being revealed for the bankrupt candidate he always was. Other than the castoffs like you who supported him because you loved his ass in an evening dress, he didn’t have any grass roots.

    Fortunately, you’ll always have the you-tubes, Eric. Enjoy.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IrE6FMpai8

  34. Micah Says:

    Here’s a link just for Eric. No one else follow the link - it’s pretty disgusting….

    http://criminalthoughts.com/2008/01/19/theirs-an-awful-smell-coming-from-rudys-direction/

  35. Hugh Jass Says:

    “A 13% showing in Nevada. And that’s a “huge victory for Paul.””

    Once again, Dondero seems to have completely ignored the fact that RCP had Paul polling at half that and in sixth place. He came double what the polls said and got second place, over McCain, Huckabee, [b]Giuliani[/b], and Thompson, all of whom polled higher than Paul.

  36. Eric Dondero Says:

    Once again Hugh-ass jack ignores the fact that Paul spent many days campaigning in the State, practically the only GOP candidate to do so, and spent tons of money on radio buys throughout Nevada. And yet, he still placed a distant 2nd tied with McCain who never even set foot in the State.

    Oh, and they just declared SC. Paul’s total? 3.6%, 5th place. And yes, he campaigned in SC too.

  37. Eric Dondero Says:

    Hey y’all. Remember those Pro-War in Iraq mailers Ron Paul sent out to Military Vets throughout South Carolina back in October? He got in some hot water over hypocrisy with Politico.com over it.

    Guess the Vets saw right through them. 3.6% showing for Paul in the Palmetto State.

    If I was a Ron Paul donor, I’d be asking for my money back. Sending Pro-War in Iraq flyers out in SC, when you tell everyone else you’re Anti-War. Do he honestly think South Carolinians were that dumb, particularly Veterans?

  38. Eric Dondero Says:

    Yup Micah, 3.4% is larger than 2.6%. But Romney and Giuliani occupy the same area of the political spectrum: Northeasterner Fiscal Conservatives who are Socially Centrist.

    Mitt got 15.2%. Add that to Giuliani’s 2.6% and compare that to Paul’s 3.4%. Well, you get the picture.

  39. Tom Blanton Says:

    Dondero, if I was a fascist I’d be supporting your boy, Giuliani.

  40. Andrew Says:

    So Tom, on what basis is Giuliani a fascist? Last time I looked, it is Ron Paul that is taking money from Stormfront neo-Nazis and associating himself with paleoconservatives that praise the likes of Jared Taylor and the memory of Samuel Francis

  41. Andrew Says:

    Hugh, you are aware that as late as December, Ron Paul was LEADING Huckabee, Thomson and Romney among South Carolina GOP voters. Getting slammed by Romney(a Mormon) in a huge evanglical state(the home of Bob Jones University) shows the wheels are coming off the Ron Paul Revolution. Objectively, there is no reason based on Paul’s views on guns,social issues, anti-state and his comments on the Civil War why he should not have finished at a minimum of 3rd place in SC

  42. T.A. Says:

    Now we’re pissing “Donero” off, what a political clown,
    Meanwhile his “Libertarian Hero,” the cross-dressing Ghouliani is quickly going down.

    Is the G-Man finished just politically, or going down is some other manner too?
    What say you, his favorite anti-Paulian spammer cooing politically anew?

    Wouldn’t it be nice to know my name, “Donero,” you hack.
    Seems to me your mostly a liberal, playing political hacky-sack.

    Go & quickly spin your right hand man Ghouliani playing puff & fluff,
    Quite frankly, all of us have had enough of his “libertarian” stuff.

    Liberty ditties, that’s what the everyday folks wish, ha,
    Not your favorite cheating on loved ones, cuckholding, cross-dressing facist for president rants, blah, blah, blah!

  43. Darcy G Richardson Says:

    “...ignores the fact that Paul spent many days campaigning in the State, practically the only GOP candidate to do so, and spent tons of money on radio buys throughout Nevada. And yet, he still placed a distant 2nd tied with McCain who never even set foot in the State.”—- Eric Dondero

    Eric, who is sort of like TPW’s own blogging version of Faux News, will go to almost any length to dismiss or discredit Ron Paul’s insurgent candidacy. Contrary to Eric’s assertion, John McCain actually made several trips to Nevada during his current quest for the presidency, including a high-profile visit to the state as part of his initial five-state tour shortly after announcing his candidacy last spring.

    According to the Las Vegas Review-Journal, McCain had spent more time in the Silver State than any other GOP presidential hopeful before completely giving up on the state last summer. He also raised a considerable amount of money in Nevada. Among other things, the Arizona Senator was also a featured speaker at the party’s Clark County Lincoln Day dinner last April.

    Ron Paul’s relatively strong showing in Nevada is all the more impressive given the state’s close proximity to Arizona and the considerable amount of time and money McCain spent there earlier in the campaign.

  44. Andrew Says:

    Tell you what T.A., when you can spell FASCIST correctly with your crayons, why don’t you come back and have an adult conversation.

  45. Carol in Arizona Says:

    I am LDS (Mormon) and have lived in Las Vegas and other parts of Nevada. I am also a Ron Paul supporter. The LDS community is HUGE in Nevada. They are extremely strong there and very vocal; they fight for conservative views all the time. It is no surprise at all to me that Romney would win in Nevada. It is also not a surprise that Ron Paul placed second (as opposed to 3rd, 4th, 5th) as third-party types are extremely popular in Nevada (it was while living in Nevada that I learned of Bo Gritz and voted for Perot). However, the LDS community are still extremely loyal to Romney over Ron Paul, even though many of them agree with Paul.

    I find the same to be the case here in Arizona among my LDS friends and family. They listen and agree (in most cases) with Ron Paul, but still they are voting Romney. I KNOW that the Arizona Ron Paulites are very strong, but again, Arizona LDS Romney voters are still stronger. Luckily in NV Paul still gets delegates out of the deal but as I understand it, the winner takes all in Arizona and I do believe it will go to Romney.

    Just one person’s observation. Oh! If you want to know how strong a state is in LDS numbers, count the number of LDS temples. There are two in Nevada, two in Arizona, piles in UT and CA (but maybe not compared to population), none in NH, two close to the Iowa borders, none in SC. See a trend for Romney numbers? He appeals to lots of people but it is heavily bolstered by the LDS population. There is an LDS temple in Washington, one in Oregon, one in Colorado, two in Idaho. Romney is actually my distant cousin and I like him alot, but I am voting Ron Paul for the money policy and foreign policy and the constitutionalist views and health care and…

  46. Ron Says:

    Hi,

    Thanks for talking about Ron Paul. Despite his good results today in Nevada, a lot of the mainstream media continue to ignore Ron Paul. Here is the results of the primaries according to the NY Times:

    http://politics.nytimes.com/election-guide/2008/results/index.html

    Everyone should continue to be aware that freedom of the press is one thing but when the press goes from the business of reporting the news to interpreting the news then there is a risk that everyone’s liberty is curtailed.

  47. Eric Dondero Says:

    Hay guyz, got a lotta time to crosspost my “blog” to various forms and spew bitter vitriol. Visit my new blog!

  48. Michael H. Wilson Says:

    Great job with the heading. Write a lte, or send out a news release using that.

    MHW

  49. paulie Says:

    Fake Eric,

    Funny site, but you shouldn’t post as the real Eric. Just my view.

  50. Erich Dondero Says:

    You’re right, my “h” key is a little sticky and doesn’t get depressed fully sometimes. Sorry real Eric!

  51. bob Says:

    Anyone that has researched the cfr or watched freedom to fascism knows who to vote for.

  52. B. Reyes Says:

    Mr. Dondero,

    I am a son of Colombian immigrants. Since my inception, I am a first generation college graduate AND an US Army veteran and member of the intel community. I support Ron Paul. Is he a racist? Well, let’s see:

    His directly attributed speech record highlights the achievements of Dr. King, Rosa Parks, and Ghandi.

    I’ve read the newsletter excerpts. Some are taken out of context while all do not the resemble the rhetoric of Dr. Paul. Essentially, from analyzing the syntax and diction of the these newsletters, its almost equal to seeing a poet laureate type in the following fashion “I likez them viewz of Doc Paul :) ”. Unless Dr. Paul is schizophrenic or suffers from a multiple personality disorder, to believe what has been written and addressed/denounced by Dr. Paul years ago is irresponsible.

    Finally, being a racist libertarian is akin to being a steak-loving vegan. Get your facts straight, stop catalogging all of us Hispanics under your dim point of views. Your characterization of us “minorities” is truly offensive and limits our true diversity. I’ll go back to to eating my tortillas, mowing “el senor’s” lawn, and collecting my welfare check as you may assume as I and my many successful Latino brethren do here in Miami and the rest of the nation.

    “La unica forma que la maldad vence, es que hombres buenos hacen nada.” - Sir Edmund Burke

  53. Inks.LWC Says:

    That’s taken out of context. FOX was discussing the impact of Nevada on South Carolina and whether Romney’s probable win would help him in South Carolina and perhaps hurt McCain. Although I didn’t vote for Paul, I am a a huge fan of his, and although I disagree with your twisting of facts here, I was GREATLY disappointed when they excluded him from the debate.

  54. InksLWC Says:

    That’s taken out of context. FOX was discussing the impact of Nevada on South Carolina and whether Romney’s probable win would help him in South Carolina and perhaps hurt McCain. Although I didn’t vote for Paul, I am a a huge fan of his, and although I disagree with your twisting of facts here, I was GREATLY disappointed when they excluded him from the debate.

  55. InksLWC Says:

    Woops - sorry - my Internet Explorer went wacky and my comment wasn’t showing up so I resubmited it and then both showed up. My bad.

  56. Fred C. Says:

    Bienvenido B. Reyes, me da placer a saber que no soy el unico Paulista de extraccion sudamericano.

  57. Eric Dondero Says:

    Mr. Reyes, thanks for your comments. But the Newsletters are only the tip of the iceberg. Just this morning someone released a very nasty article from the LA Times by Lew Rockwell, from 1991 about the Rodney King incident. At the end of the article Rockwell endorses video cameras to stop Black crime on Whites in LA.

    Call me stupid, but as a libertarian, I’ve always opposed cameras in downtown areas, spying on American citizens. They’re proposing that here in Houston, and it really sucks!

    Luckily we have a libertarian City Councilman Michael Berry who has been ranting daily about it, on his KPRC talk radio show. So, he may be able to stop it.

    And now we find out that Ron Paul’s best friend and Chief Aide Lew Rockwell, is a supporter of 1984-like video cameras.

  58. Eric Dondero Says:

    Y muchisimas gracias a Fred y Senor Reyes para su assistencia aqui en este lugar. Vamos a tener mas conversaciones en Espanol, si el “Alcade” Snr. Gordon lo permite.

    Trabajaba en el sur de California para el partido Republicano, matriculando los Hispanos como Republicanos. Y Ustedes?

  59. Eric Dondero Says:

    Okay all, I just spent the wee hours over at the Web’s number one political site for Republicans - Race42008.com

    There’s a highly controversial article headlining this morning: “It’s Over: McCain has Won.”

    Over 400 posts in response so far. Most in opposition to the article, from both Giuliani and Romney supporters, with some Huckabee too.

    Not a single mention of Ron Paul anywheres among the 400. You all here are obsessed with RP, but mainline Republicans could care less about him. He placed a virtual tie with McCain in Nevada at 13%. You’d think that would be worthy of some discussion. Nada!

    Not good for me either. Hardly anyone is bringing up Romney’s huge win in NV.

    It’s all based on South Carolina, and the story line seems to be that the only now who has even an outside shot of beating McCain is Giuliani in Florida.

    I don’t agree. I think Romney and Rudy need to cut a deal for the FiCon vote. Romney can beat McCain too. But, so long as the FiCon vote is split, and so long as the “fringe” FiCon vote of 4 to 5% sticks with Ron Paul, we’re all doomed.

    If the fringe FiCon vote switched to Romney or Rudy last minute, we might have a shot. Saving that, it’s John McCain vs. Hillary 2008.

  60. Sean Scallon Says:

    If Ron Paul denounces the quasi-Racist remarks in his Newsletters, and fesses up for his role in the editing and writing the Newsletters, maybe things would be different. But as it stands now, he’s got an aura of “Insensitivity” at the very least to American Minorities.

    Fesses up to what Mr. Rittberg? Even you’ve said in the past he’s had no hand in writing the darn things, or maybe I should pull that quote you gave to the Austin-American Statesman back in 1996 to refresh your memory, back when you honest enough to call yourself by your real name?

    By the way, how did your “transgender” Rudy make out yesterday? Hmmm?

    Oh that’s right, today’s Sunday. You’re supporting George Phillies right? Or maybe it’s Daniel Imperato. Boy, you support so many candidates Mr. Rittberg I just can’t keep them all straight. Perhaps you can provide us with a schedule on which days you support certain candidates. That will help.

  61. Thomas L. Knapp Says:

    Tom B,

    In response to Mr. Dondero, you write:

    “I guess Romney or McCain will suddenly morph into ‘libertarians’”

    Actually, between Romney, Giuliani and McCain, McCain has the strongest claim to endorsement as a “libertarian” by the organization that Eric Dondero founded, the Republican Liberty Caucus. In at least one year, he not only made the 75-of-100-points threshold to be labeled a “libertarian” in the RLC’s “Liberty Index,” but was rated as the MOST “libertarian” US Senator. Neither Romney nor Giuliani can make any such claim.

    Of course, that says more about the RLC’s “Liberty Index” than it does about McCain—Rick Santorum showed up near the top of it in the same year that he went on NPR to explain why he isn’t a libertarian.

  62. Erich Dondero Says:

    Eric, your flooding of supposedly helpful historical context and hand-waving distracts only the stupidest of people from noticing your contradictory behaviour and genuine attempts to smear for your own benefit. None of the people reading here are among that stupid demographic. Sorry.

  63. Stephen Tash Says:

    “starting to look like Fox News has a political agenda”

    That made me laugh, literally out loud. It’s starting to look like that? Where have you been since Fox News was founded?

  64. Stephen Gordon Says:

    “starting to look like Fox News has a political agenda”

    I meant that in the most sarcastic manner possible.

  65. Stephen Tash Says:

    Sarcasm does not show up well in text :P

  66. T.A. Says:

    Eric,

    I’m curious about something. You’ve been pushing hard that the RP newsletters are a reason he needs to be brought down.

    How on earth do you expect to survive a serious run for Congress when whomever your opponent may be starts releasing a few of the more vitriolic & hateful of your many thousands of blog comments posted all over the internet?

    Yes, some of the comments are just poking fun or having a good time at others’ expense, but some of them are barely controlled rage, or worse.

    What will your defense be when your political opponent starts bringing out some of these more vicious posts? How will you go about saying on the one hand that the things you’ve said under your own name are politically inconsequential, while the items that were published by others in RP’s newsletters ARE consequential in regards to him specifically?

    How is it if he’s toast, you’re not?

  67. Hugh Jass Says:

    “Hugh, you are aware that as late as December, Ron Paul was LEADING Huckabee, Thomson and Romney among South Carolina GOP voters. Getting slammed by Romney(a Mormon) in a huge evanglical state(the home of Bob Jones University) shows the wheels are coming off the Ron Paul Revolution. Objectively, there is no reason based on Paul’s views on guns,social issues, anti-state and his comments on the Civil War why he should not have finished at a minimum of 3rd place in SC”

    It seems Andrew has forgotten abot something called “momentum”. Huckabee and Romney both had momentum coming into South Carolina from earlier contest wins. As for Thompson, he has spent the last several weeks campaigning in South Carolina, making it his do or die state.

    In addition, Andrew (who is highly suspect is a Dondero sockpuppet) is factually incorrect, as looking at the graph of South Carolina on RealClearPolitics clearly indicates that Paul never at any point led Thompson, Romney, OR Huckabee. In fact, the only frontrunner Paul ever lead in South Carolina was your beloved Rudy Giuliani, and that was just as of the past week.

    While I concede that 4% is a disappointing showing, it seems you are trying deserately to spin it to be worse that it already is.

  68. Hugh Jass Says:

    “Not a single mention of Ron Paul anywheres among the 400. You all here are obsessed with RP, but mainline Republicans could care less about him. He placed a virtual tie with McCain in Nevada at 13%. You’d think that would be worthy of some discussion. Nada!”

    Eric also seems to be in need of a geography lesson, as he seems in be unaware that Nevada IS RIGHT NEXT TO ARIZONA! Whcih is McCain’s home state. If Paul can beat McCain in his own backyard, I would think that is pretty impressive, given that McCain was polling as high as 13% ahead of Paul in the Nevada RCP Average.

  69. Devious David Says:

    I wonder if there is a union for disgruntled former employees?

  70. Devious David Says:

    ... or a twelve step program, maybe?

  71. Andrew Says:

    Hugh,

    Who is spinning?

    All week the Paul people were telling us that Nevada was a shoe-in, even the Associated Press reported that Paul may in fact win since he was the only one running tv ads and had volunteers out in full force

    There is no reason Mitt Romney shoudl have got three times the votes Paul did.

    Did you see “Real Time with Bill maher” recently(Of course Maher is a huge Ron Paul sympathizer, I might add)? he had a reporter on Dan Savage who spend several days in South Carolina and he reported that Romney was very dislike in that state mostly because of his Mormon religion.

    Ron Paul should have beat Romney in SC and he didn’t.

  72. Andrew Says:

    “It seems Andrew has forgotten abot something called “momentum”.

    Just for laughs Hugh, where is Paul’s momentum?

    You guys are starting to run out of excuses and conspiracy theories for why Paul has not won a single state yet.

    There may be an X-Files marathon today on the ScFi channel, maybe ya’ll can glean a conspiracy or two that you haven’t used yet.

  73. citizen1 Says:

    Fox News should also state when ever they cover the election that News Corp is a client of Bracewell and Guiliani.

  74. MLK Says:

    this is really pathetic…..

    so Fox, at the very beggining with highlights the top 3 contenders to show how they are doing. The entire rest of the day they show Paul in his 3rd or 2nd place showing, as higher reporting percentages came in.

    geez, faux outrage by the racist conspiracy theorist supporters of paul…not shocking

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  76. MLK Says:

    you morons, that screen cap was but for one small portion of the day, the very freakin’ beginning.

    you act like this was with 20% or more reporting, its less than 1% reporting!! and they show the top 3 candidates in the general race.

    the ENTIRE rest of the day they had the correct top 3 and you morons are trying to make a Faux outrage over this?

    pathetic

  77. Hugh Jass Says:

    ““It seems Andrew has forgotten abot something called “momentum”.

    Just for laughs Hugh, where is Paul’s momentum?”

    If you had bothered to read my ENTIRE post, you would have seen that I was not talking about Paul’s momentum (or lack thereof), but about how Romney had momentum going into South Carolina that gave him an advantage over Paul. However, it is predictable that a Rudy supporter would be clueless as to how momentum from earlier contests affects later contests, given that that may explain who Rudy is doing so poorly.

    “All week the Paul people were telling us that Nevada was a shoe-in, even the Associated Press reported that Paul may in fact win since he was the only one running tv ads and had volunteers out in full force”

    I cannot name a single Paul supporter that said Nevada was a shoe-in for Paul. In addition, the very pro-Paul LewRockwell.com distanced themselves fom the AP article, knowing that Paul would more likely come in second.

  78. Andrew Says:

    Paulunteer.com just the other day said “Have you wondered why Ron Paul is spending so much time in Nevada instead of Michigan and South Carolina, It’s because he has a chance to win Nevada with BIG numbers.”...........Also Associated Press writer Kathleen Hennessey just the other day wrote, “Republicans are bracing for a possible suprise 1st place showing by long-shot Texas Rep. Ron Paul, the only Republican to broadcast TV ads in Nevada.”......Now if Paul supports can still be giddy with only 13 percent after that….wow that is optimism.

  79. Andrew Says:

    Romney did pretty good for a Mormon in a heavy evangelical state…...Spin away Hugh and try and change the support about Rudy, but you can’t deny that losing to Romney in SC was NOT GOOD. Ron Paul should have beat 18 percent especially since his campaign’s themes are very southern oriented…...Guns, anti-state, traditional social norms and his views on the Civil War

  80. Micah Says:

    Not exactly an honor student, are you Andrew???

    http://criminalthoughts.com/2008/01/20/flip-romney-or-honest-paul/

  81. Micah Says:

    MLK Says:

    Speaking of morons…..

  82. Hugh Jass Says:

    “Also Associated Press writer Kathleen Hennessey just the other day wrote, “Republicans are bracing for a POSSIBLE suprise 1st place showing by long-shot Texas Rep. Ron Paul, the only Republican to broadcast TV ads in Nevada.”......Now if Paul supports can still be giddy with only 13 percent after that….wow that is optimism.”

    Possible is hardly considered guarenteed. You completely ignore what POLLSTERS were projecting, which was a sixth place finish for Paul. Paul’s second place finish in a state with a significant Mormon minority gives Paul a launching pad for good showings in other Western states.

    “Romney did pretty good for a Mormon in a heavy evangelical state…...Spin away Hugh and try and change the support about Rudy, but you can’t deny that losing to Romney in SC was NOT GOOD. Ron Paul should have beat 18 percent especially since his campaign’s themes are very southern oriented…...Guns, anti-state, traditional social norms and his views on the Civil War”

    Yes, I would have liked to have beaten Romney in South Carolina, but again, you are ignoring that Romney had momentum from winning Wyoming and Michigan. If Paul had won Wyoming and Michigan, he no doubt would have beaten Romney in South Carolina as well. Also, you conveniently leave out that many in the South support the Iraq War, giving Paul a disadvantage.

  83. Andrew Says:

    But Hugh, I thought everybody hated the war in Iraq….that is what we keep hearing from the Paul crowd. ...It is only a cabal of Fox news pundits and neoconservative intellectuals that support the war.

  84. Andrew Says:

    Micah, none as so blind as those who refuse to see.

  85. Micah Says:

    I support the Russian ‘War on Terror’. Don’t you, Andrew?

    http://criminalthoughts.com/2008/01/20/it-takes-a-tyrant/

  86. Andrew Says:

    Micah, I didn’t see much in “Criminal Thoughts” about how Paul is going to win. If he can’t get more then 4 percent in SC, how is he going to win Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia. I will make a gentlemen’s wager right now Giuliani beats Paul in Florida…..As for the Reagan comparison, just remember by this time in 1980, Reagan had won an actual state, where has Paul won 1st place??? Your the honor student, please inform us

  87. Micah Says:

    I’ll take the Giuliani wager, with a twist. I’ll bet whatever you want that Paul is still pulling in delegates after ‘Da Maya’ is sitting in his parlor trying on the latest arrivals from Victoria Secret.

    I’m not prognosticating an outright Paul victory. If you read that, reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit. It’s not really about winning though that has to be the goal. We’re seeing the revival of a movement that almost died in the sands of the Iraqi desert.

    You feel free to participate in the two minutes hate. Vote for someone who’ll keep Osama from cutting your throat while you sleep - whatever. Just know that you’ll be on the side of responsibility when we’re on the receiving end of the odious policies we promulgate.

    But…. whatever. I think the founders counseled us that giving up essential liberty for a little temporary was a great thing, right? You’re just staying true to our long-held principles. I’m just an ideological whore who puts expediency over principle.

    (or maybe I have our roles switched - I’ll leave that for the readers to decide)

  88. Andrew Says:

    Micah, I don’t support the Patriot Act but yes, I think overthrowing Saddam was the correct thing to do. The Bush administration made blunder after blunder not having enough troops at the beginning, putting a Kissingerite(Paul Bremner) in charge of the Iraqi coaltion government etc- and not getting the intl community more involved including the Arab League with the war like we had in 1991 Gulf war

  89. Andrew Says:

    I respect that fact that some people don’t support the war…I am not a prisoner to Fox News and Limbaugh(in fact I can’t stand either) nor do I think people who question the war on terror(for which I have my issues with) are somehow “unpatriotic”, however my beef is that somewho your side think anybody who is not a Ron Paul supporter or has a different opinion on Iraq is somehow a fascist or a “Trotskyist” neocon(just read Lewrockwell.com or antiwar.com)

  90. Micah Says:

    What moral justification do you find for the invasion of Iraq?

  91. Micah Says:

    I wouldn’t call the supporter’s of non-Paul candidates socialists or fascists - just socialist/fascist enablers.

  92. Andrew Says:

    Humanitarian…...Let’s go back to 2003, we all agree that the sanctions were not working and causing human suffering. The food for oil scam was helping to build palaces for Saddam and his psyco crime family while his people were eating out of garbge cans and drinking dish water. Furthermore, we have screwed with that country since 1969. We helped put the Baathist in. Jimmy Carter incourged them to invade Iran in 1980. We told the democrats and Kurds in 1991 that we would support them if they rose up against Saddam, for which they did and we turned our back on them. Finally we had a horrible economic sanations on them for 10 years that still did not change the regime. Granted, my position is not a libertarian one(as I am sure you know) but I think that after everything the USA had done to Iraq since 1969, it was time to stop being a slum lord in that region and actually replace a vile fascist regime

  93. Micah Says:

    So in your world, it is a good idea to steal money from me so that you can go around doing good works. I don’t buy it. Why aren’t we in Sudan (or Liberia or Ethiopia or…... you get the point) for the next 100 years?

    In your world, the answer to unintended consequences from intervening in the middle east is more intervening in the middle east. Sounds like that apocraphyl saying of Einstein about the definition of insanity. No thanks.

    We really don’t have a frame of reference for a rational discussion. I fundamentally don’t understand the philosophical underpinnings of your positions; if they are merely pragmatic in nature, you wouldn’t want to have a rational discussion with me anyway. Pragmatism isn’t strong on rational philosophical arguments.

  94. Andrew Says:

    Actually, Micah, I agree with you that my position on Iraq opens a pandora’s box for issues you just mentioned. However, consider this. If we had not done anything in 2003 and left Iraq alone to implode on itself. Do you believe regardless of who would have been in the White House(Dem or Rep) that the USA would not have been involved in the clean up after Saddam either was overthrown or died. Iraq sadly was in our past, it’s in our present and would have been in our future whether we would have liked it or not.

  95. Eric Dondero Says:

    Eric Garris is that you? I’ve got it from a good source that you’re here posting under the silly name Hugh Jass as in Huge Ass.

    You’ve been outed Garris.

    Too bad you didn’t have enough balls to post under your real name.

  96. Eric Dondero Says:

    Garris, kudos to Ron Paul for beating McCain in his own backyard. You’ve apparently mistaken me for a John McCain supporter. I could care less about McCain. If someone put a gun to my head and said I’d have to vote for McCain or Paul, I’d tell them to just pull the trigger.

    Ron Paul got 3 times less votes than Mitt Romney in Nevada. And Romney’s from Michigan/Mass. That’s hardly the Southwest. Who is it that needs to geography lesson now Garris?

  97. Eric Dondero Says:

    Momentum (Huge Ass) Garris?

    You go from 13% in Nevada early in the day, and then drop to 3.6% in South Carolina later in the evening. That’s the Big Mo alright.

    At that rate, watch for a 1.5% showing in Florida for Paul.

  98. Keith_Indy Says:

    Well, it seems to me the line up of the faces is the top 3 candidates by # of delegates already committed. And Pauls name is right there with how he was doing in Nevada.

    Or it could be a conspiracy…

  99. Hugh Jass Says:

    “Eric Garris is that you? I’ve got it from a good source that you’re here posting under the silly name Hugh Jass as in Huge Ass.

    You’ve been outed Garris.

    Too bad you didn’t have enough balls to post under your real name.”

    That’s incredibly funny, considering I don’t even know who Eric Garris is. Go ahead and check my IP address if you wish. I’m presuming that your “good source” is yourself.

    “Garris, kudos to Ron Paul for beating McCain in his own backyard. You’ve apparently mistaken me for a John McCain supporter. I could care less about McCain. If someone put a gun to my head and said I’d have to vote for McCain or Paul, I’d tell them to just pull the trigger.”

    Again, funny, considering that your own Liberatings at the RLC show McCain as a “Libertarian”, meaning that, by your warped definition of a libertarian, McCain fits that standard even better that Romney or Giuliani.

    “Ron Paul got 3 times less votes than Mitt Romney in Nevada. And Romney’s from Michigan/Mass. That’s hardly the Southwest. Who is it that needs to geography lesson now Garris?”

    Turns out YOU are the one in need of a geography lesson, given that you again completely ignore that Nevada is also right next to the Mormon capital of the U.S., Utah. Add that and the fact that Romney actually campaigned in Nevada instead of South Carolina, and a Romney victory isn’t that surprising.

    “Momentum (Huge Ass) Garris?

    You go from 13% in Nevada early in the day, and then drop to 3.6% in South Carolina later in the evening. That’s the Big Mo alright.

    At that rate, watch for a 1.5% showing in Florida for Paul.”

    First of all, my original post was talking about ROMNEY’s momentum going into South Carolina, not Paul’s momentum, as I already explained earlier. Second, you ignore that the South Carolina polls were open from 7AM to 7PM EST, but the Nevada results weren’t released until 4:30 PM, meaning that many South Carolinians had already voted before they knew the results for Nevada. If the South Carolina primary was held a few fays after Nevada was, I am certain that Paul would have had a better showing there.

    In addition, with no state income tax, Florida is a significantly more libertarian state than South Carolina is, so I would expect a better showing there for Paul than South Carolina. And if polls show Paul not doing well in Florida, he could always divert his resources to Maine, where he would be the only candidate campaigning.

  100. Eric Dondero Says:

    Garris, (Huge Ass), it’s not McCain’s voting record I have a problem with, it’s his image. Horrible for the GOP. He’s the last thing we need! He’s old, tired, and grey. We need youthful, Hispanic, Ethnic or Black, inspiring, and goog looking. McCain falls on all counts. Romney and Giuliani at least fit the mold on a couple of them.

    Unless McCain picks Sarah Palin or JC Watts as his running mate, I won’t be supporting him.

  101. MLK Says:

    “What moral justification do you find for the invasion of Iraq?”—-

    Saddam violated the cease Fire agreement he signed in 1991, countless times, each time being a case to resume hostilities. He committed multiple Acts of War for over a decade against the USA. Fired at our planes, tried to assassinate our POTUS…harbored the 1993 WTC bombers, one of which was on his payroll, and was a State Sponsor of Terror for over a decade. Providing material support for them.

    then of course the humanitarian aspect, Saddam and his sons were as evil as anyone to ever walk the earth.

    Just War Theory applies to the Iraq War absolutely.

  102. Jay Matthews Says:

    MLK completely discounts the basis for the “war” force-fed to the public was Saddam allegedly hiding WMD, not what he cites.

  103. Micah Says:

    “Saddam violated the cease Fire agreement he signed in 1991, countless times, each time being a case to resume hostilities.”

    Really? When was the last time that supposedly happened? 1998? So that was why we rolled back into Iraq in 2003….. really?

    Are you going to tell us that he was in violation of the cease fire more recently because he never disbanded the WMD program? I can’t imagine you’ll make that case, but if you want we can meander down that road……
    ___________________________

    “He committed multiple Acts of War for over a decade against the USA. Fired at our planes”

    That assumes a right for us to unilaterally control the Iraqi airspace - one you’ll certainly argue that we have, without citing any reasonable precedent for it.

    If April Gillaspie hadn’t fallen all over herself assuring Tariq Aziz that we had no mutual defense treaty with the Kuwaittis, our justification for the original invasion of Iraq would hold a little more water (though you’d still be on shifting sand trying to argue the ‘Iraqi Liberation’ in our national interest was in the first place).
    ___________________________

    “tried to assassinate our POTUS

    http://globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/justify/2004/1019plot.htm

    Did they?
    ____________________________

    “…harbored the 1993 WTC bombers, one of which was on his payroll, and was a State Sponsor of Terror for over a decade. Providing material support for them.”

    That is a good one. Can you back those up? News accounts where an official state organ asserts the charge is not proof.
    ____________________________

    “then of course the humanitarian aspect, Saddam and his sons were as evil as anyone to ever walk the earth.”

    Since when did getting rid of bad people on the other side of the globe become a constitutional use of our military? We are not the world’s police, and if we intend to be, it will only be through force. All this before we tear into the immorality of stealing my money to do your ‘good works’ (the apparent neo-con euphemism for killing brown-skinned people).
    _____________________________

    “Just War Theory applies to the Iraq War absolutely.”

    You can say anything you want. You have in no way demonstrated that the Iraqi invasion is just on any level, other than because we deemed it to be expedient and in our interests. Your argument reminds me of rationalizing with a 3-year old. ‘I want it’ is the only moral justification they understand.

  104. Libertarian Girl Says:

    Eric Dondero: “If someone put a gun to my head and said I’d have to vote for McCain or Paul, I’d tell them to just pull the trigger.”

    You’re making this too easy for us, ED.

  105. Jay Matthews Says:

    “It’s not McCain’s voting record I have a problem with, it’s his image. Horrible for the GOP. He’s the last thing we need! He’s old, tired, and grey. We need youthful, Hispanic, Ethnic or Black, inspiring, and goog looking.”

    Well here we learn more about Dondero. Not only is he openly ageist, but he determines who to support based on how attractive he finds the candidate.

    “Unless McCain picks Sarah Palin or JC Watts as his running mate, I won’t be supporting him.”

    He also swings both ways. Kudos to Dondero, a true libertarian!

  106. Dan Says:

    FNC is also
    Foreign eNtanglements Channel

  107. George Dance Says:

    No, Eric, I’m not saying you were lying. I’m saying you were spinning. I haven’t seen you lie about anything, but you try to spin everything.
    The fact Paul finished behind Romney in NV wasn’t news. What was news in NV was that he McCain, and Huckabee, for the first time. He followed that up a week later by beating Romney (and Huckabee again) in LA. He’s now beaten every one of the Fox News xxFivexx Four, which should put to rest the question of his ‘viability’ - given the right circumstances, he’s as viable as any of them.
    The big loser was McCain, and he can’t spin his way out by blaming his bronze on his lack of campaign. The fact that he can’t even beat Ron Paul, without a major campaign effort, shows that despite the media hype he’s really not a recognized brand at all, which puts a crack in his image of electability.
    Obviously that’s spin, too; I’m not criticizing your spinning, as we all do it. I just thought it was hilarious that you’d try to describe the NV outcome as a blow to the Paul campaign in particular, and pointed it out because it made me laugh.

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