Paul, Tancredo Drop Hints for Third Party Runs

Politics1.com is suggesting potential third party runs for congressmen Tom Tancredo and Ron Paul, based off of last night’s GOP presidential debate answers about the topic of supporting the eventual nominee.


NO UNITY PROMISE: Congressmen Ron Paul (R-TX) and Tom Tancredo (R-CO) both said during Tuesday’s GOP Presidential debate they were both unable to make pledges to support the eventual GOP nominee. Paul said he would not support the Republican nominee “unless they’re willing to end the war and bring our troops home … I’m not going to support them if they continue down the path that has taken our party down the tubes. I mean, we’ve lost credibility because of all our spending, because we have violated the civil liberties of all the American people, and we have adopted the Democrats’ foreign policy.”

Said Tancredo: “I am absolutely tired and sick and tired of being forced to go to the polls and say I’m going to make this choice between the lesser of two evils. I really don’t intend to do that again. I am hoping, of course, that whoever we nominate will be the principled flag carrier for the Republican Party. But if that is not the case, no, then I will not support them.” In related news, Tancredo said Monday he will quit the White House race if he doesn’t finish at least third in Iowa or New Hampshire. Tancredo also said he’ll announce his true re-election plans on the day after whenever the current baseball season ends for the Colorado Rockies. The Paul and Tancredo comments—probably intentionally—kicked the doors wide open to Paul seeking the Libertarian nomination and Tancredo seeking the Constitution nomination for President in the general election.

Speaking as an individual and not part of any one campaign, but if Mitt Romney is the nominee, which I’m banking he will be, I’ll be supporting the Mormon from Mass. If it’s anyone other than that, more than likely I’ll sit the 2008 presidential race out.

Congressman Paul running as, or even appearing to wage, a third party candidate will be absolutely disastrous to any credibility that this movement has launched in favor of taking back the controls of the Republican apparatus.

38 Responses to “Paul, Tancredo Drop Hints for Third Party Runs”

  1. Eric Sundwall Says:

    Joey Dauben will lead us to the promised land.

  2. Gary Odom Says:

    I think it is more likely that these gentlemen would consider endorsing Third Party candidates than run themselves, but I have no inside information either way so I suppose anything is possible.

    Tancredo endorsed Jim Gilchrist in ‘05 for Gilchrist’s American Independent (Constitution) run for Congress much to the consternation of the California GOP and Ron Paul has never been intimidated by the GOP establishment.

    Their answers don’t suprise me in the slightest, but, in my view, standing alone they don’t necessarily indicate their own interest in running.

  3. Mike Gillis Says:

    What an odd thing for someone to say on “THIRD PARTY WATCH”.

    Some of us frankly couldn’t give a damn about saving a major party.

  4. [email protected] Says:

    Besides which, what is this “back” stuff? The Republican Party is, and always has been, the party of big government.

  5. Trent Hill Says:

    [email protected],

    The Party as a whole, maybe. But it has definetly long been home to a small-government streak. Read: Goldwater, Taft.

    Im going to agree with Mr. Odom that this does not indicate they will RUN as Third Party candidates. I think Tancredo is doing too well for that. He can easily pick up a Colorado Senate Seat next time one opens up, no need to go ruining that with a 3rd party run.
    As for Paul, he has a Congressional seat to tend to. He will endose the CP and LP candidates, as usual, but not run as one of them. He has a newfound popularity (and thus power) to wield in Congress, and I think he’ll make the best of it.

  6. Trent Hill Says:

    As for Joey,

    Why do you post here? Mitt Romney? Seriously? The uber-liberal Rockefeller, who promised Massachusetts he’d be more liberal than Ted Kennedy? Rediculous.

    As for “taking back” the Republican Party…who said we were trying to do that? Most of us just want to prove that it isnt the home of small government anymore…

  7. Tom Gellhaus Says:

    I’ve decided NOT to change my party registration to “R”, which I was thinking of doing in order to vote for Ron Paul in the NYS primary. (Right now, it’s listed as “Other - Libertarian” AFAIK.)

    Ron Paul has some good qualities but he won’t save his party.

    I am pretty certain that I will be opting out completely. The writings of Brad Spangler, Wally Conger, and others like them make more and more sense every day.

  8. G.E. Smith Says:

    After watching the debate yesterday, there can be no doubt that Duncan Hunter is an outright fascist. Tancredo is considerably better, but still the next-to-worst.

    If I were making my evaluations strictly on the debate last night, I would put Rudy at a distant #2 to Ron Paul. In reality, of course, Rudy scares the hell out of me, with his war-mongering and lack of respect for civil liberties.

    Romney: It’s pretty bad when Giuliani out-Constitutionalizes you. What a fucking scumbag. If Giuliani has one grain of respect for the Constitution, Romney clearly has ZERO.

    Huckabee is a Christian socialist. He is actually probably worse than Tancredo.

    McCain, though detestable, is easily the least bad. By far. And that’s truly, truly sad.

    Oh, and I forgot Fred Thompson. Which is not surprising. He might be the least bad, but I would prefer the devil I know in McCain.

    My rankings for the Republican nominees if not Ron Paul:

    1. John McCain—a failing grade, but, along with Thompson, the only guy who doesn’t really scare me
    2. Fred Thompson
    3. Mitt Romney—A total tool to be sure. But less scary than the alternatives.
    4. Rudy—A crypto-fascist who is at least in favor of more economic freedom than anyone below him.
    5. Sam Brownback—Surprisingly inoffensive and rational
    6. Tom Tancredo—I would literally move if he were president, but I would hate the country less than if #7 or #8 were elected.
    7. Mike Huckabee—Christian socialist
    8. Duncan Hunter—Delusional cold warrior / fascist

  9. G.E. Smith Says:

    What about Romney do you like? His feeling that the Constitution is irrelevant, RE: the line-item veto? His insistence that we need to subsidize farmers?

  10. Trent Hill Says:

    Nothing about Romney is conservative.

    Even his remade image is of big-government neo-conservatism.

  11. Joey Dauben Says:

    Um, well, considering the fact TPW is published by a Republican, I’d say that your criticisms of me posting here are void.

    I’ll vote for a LP or CP candidate if the Republican running is not a real Republican, but all I’m saying is that a third party run by Paul would not be in the best interests of his supporters - which are really, when you get down to it, Republicans.

  12. Citizens For A Better Veterans Home[s] Says:

    We try to live worth while lives with the mechanisms which are socially available. And what is crazier than politics?

    No wonder folks are so frustrated! Sanity via politics!

    What ever gripes you have with any non Democrat and or non GOP organization, realize that it is the Democans and the Republicrats AND ONLY THEY whom have truly ‘gummed up the works’ in what passes for our public life!

  13. Robert Milnes Says:

    Joey, You say Ron Paul’s supporters …are really, when you get down to it, republicans.” I’m not so sure. We know 72% libertarians support him. We know he polls nationally (republicans) at about 3%. He straw polls about 12%. Now, McCain contributions about $6mil. Ron Paul about 5mil. Where did all the $ come from?

  14. G.E. Smith Says:

    I am a strong Ron Paul supporter and I am not a Republican by any means.

  15. Jeff Weinberger Says:

    This is why we need to support a real third party candidate to show the Republicans that we mean business. But a weak candidate like Phillies, or even a Republican exile like Paul won’t do the trick, because the second that Ron Paul is done running, he’s still the Republican congressman from texas. We should support Daniel Imperato, he is our real hope to bring conservative values to the White House and show that a third party run can be credible.

  16. [email protected] Says:

    Bob,

    There are a lot of different ways of defining political affiliation … but straw poll results are, by definition, by party. In order to participate in what’s normally recognized as a legitimate straw poll, you have to identify as a member of the party sponsoring it by making a contribution to that party (or having someone do so on your behalf) to get a ticket to the event. So if Paul is polling 12% in Republican straw polls, that 12% is, by definition, Republican support.

    Keep in mind also that even if, as the LibertarianLists poll indicates, 72% of those who identify themselves as libertarians support Ron Paul … well, self-identified libertarians are a miniscule portion of the population. Even by the broadest definitions—voting for at least one Libertarian Party candidate per election cycle, for example—we’re talking very low single digits. Yes, a higher percentage of the population is responsive in this or that way to libertarian ideas, but they don’t call themselves libertarians, they don’t think of themselves as libertarians, and most of them probably wouldn’t give you anything like the same definitions of the word “libertarian” if asked to do so.

    Ron Paul is a ten-term Republican congressman, running for the Republican Party’s presidential nomination. His supporters are almost by DEFINITION Republicans, even if only temporarily so.

  17. Cody Quirk Says:

    Well, this Mormon won’t be supporting the Jack-Mormon, come election day!

  18. Ferenc Says:

    People
    Why everybody allways talking about republicans.I think for a better future of our country the democrats are much worst. Why don’t any of you talking about how we cen destroy the democrats, till the socialist liberal leadership is out of power.
    God Bless You All

  19. G.E. Smith Says:

    Liberalism is the opposite of socialism, champ

  20. Trent Hill Says:

    “published by a Republican”

    Austin is a Republican. Mitt Romney is not.

  21. Robert Milnes Says:

    Finally, though, an answer to Eric Dondero’s question for Ron Paul: Will you support the GOP nominee?

  22. Trent Hill Says:

    Robert,

    We all knew that answer already. It was extremely clear. Paul wont support the Republican if he isnt a republican.

  23. Ben Miller Says:

    As far Tancredo goes I doubt he will run as a third party and is more likely to just endorse, Ron Paul may do the same but there is more of a chance he would continue as a third party candidate than Tancredo.

  24. Gene Berkman Says:

    Ron Paul has said before that he did not vote for George W. Bush in 2004, but he declined to identify who he did vote for.

    I expect Ron Paul to run for re-election to Congress, but remain publicly neutral in the race for President. That has happened before - in 1972, John Ashbrook and Paul McCloskey both announced they would not support Nixon’s re-election, but neither endorsed another candidate. A Congressman who supports a candidate of another party can have his seniority taken away, but the Republicans will be a minority in Congress in 2009, and won’t want to punish someone for just being neutral.

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  26. Anthony Distler Says:

    “We should support Daniel Imperato, he is our real hope to bring conservative values to the White House and show that a third party run can be credible.”

    Heh…he called Daniel Imperato credible.

  27. Ken H Says:

    Joey,

    Ron Paul has already stated that he has no intention of running as a minor party or independent candidate. He stated it again on Tucker Carlson’s show on MSNBC.

    All of this speculation about such an idea has no basis in reality.

  28. Mark Rivers Says:

    I’ve met Ron Paul, basically he would have to spend all of his money for ballot access and then he’s broke and the democratic and republican candidate have tons of money to spend against him. A third party candidate has to be independently wealthy. Any ideas?

  29. Richard Winger Says:

    It doesn’t follow logically that a viable third party presidential candidate must be wealthy. George Wallace wasn’t personally wealthy and he got 13% in 1968. John Anderson wasn’t personally wealthy and he got 7% in 1980. Ralph Nader isn’t personally wealthy and he got 3% in 2000.

  30. [email protected] Says:

    Actually, Nader is a multi-millionaire with a personal portfolio inflated by his “in the public interest” stock manipulations. Not a billionaire by any means, but if the “simple room” was reality rather than the marketing it is, he could afford to put some money into a campaign.

  31. G.E. Smith Says:

    Marc - Ron Paul’s fundraising ability greatly outweighs his own money. His own money, around $1-2 million, is insignificant. From a presidential politics standpoint, he might as well be broke.

  32. Larry Breazeale,Msgt.(ret.)USAFR Says:

    All this talk and speculation about what Tancredo or Ron Paul will do is interesting indeed. They are republicans …it is just that simple. I will not hold my breath what they MIGHT do, as another option, when they finally figure out the nomination is going to go to another phoney neo-con puppet to the globalist CFR (Council on Foreign Relations). Our Constitution party will continue to grow and yes prosper whether they are on board with us or not. The C.P. is here to stay folks. We will have plenty of prospective candidates approaching us to run at the Nominating Convention in Kansas City in 2008. ANYTHING can happen. I personally, am strictly a Jerome Corsi fan all the way. The C.P. has nowhere to go but up! I am very proud of our platform (on the REAL issues) , our candidates running for local,state and national across this republic, and the military-veteran political arm of the C.P. - the NATIONAL VETERANS COALITION.
    Ron Paul and Tancredo are good men but, they are spinning their wheels with a political party that is already dead or, at least just asleep at the wheel permanetly! -Larry Breazeale, Msgt. (ret.) USAFR

    Vice Chairman, NVC, CP

  33. (required) Says:

    Romney? Seriously?

    I just nearly puked up my breakfast.

    http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2007/10/07/romney.confronted.cnn

    You can learn much more by reading about Mitt Romney and his money man, Mel Sembler, on wikipedia. While you’re at it, look up Straight Inc.

    And, Joey, while it’s true that the site is run by a Republican, and it may be par for the course here to support certain Democrats and Republicans who are third party in all but name (Ron Paul, Tom Tancredo, Cynthia McKinney)....Mitt Romney?!

    You must be trying to top Dondero’s endorsement of Giuliani for sheer shock value.

  34. G.E. Smith Says:

    Joey likes Romney because he will call his lawyer before going to war.

  35. go go gadget dick Says:

    Ridiculous.

    Why would any libertarian (never mind big L) like Romney even slightly?

  36. Andy Says:

    “And, Joey, while it’s true that the site is run by a Republican, and it may be par for the course here to support certain Democrats and Republicans who are third party in all but name (Ron Paul, Tom Tancredo, Cynthia McKinney)....Mitt Romney?!”

    Shitt Romney is about as typical mainstream big government politician as you can get.

  37. go go gadget dick Says:

    You appeat to be correct.

    http://granitestaters.com/candidates/

  38. go go gadget dick Says:

    *appear.

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