Michelle Shinghal Interviews Wayne Allyn Root

Michelle Shinghal just interviewed undeclared Libertarian presidential candidate Wayne Allyn Root at her personal site. It was an interesting interview. The entire interview is long. Here are some of the highlights (after the jump):

Root on Ron Paul:

Now your blog reader Mike asks why Libertarians should vote for me versus Ron Paul. I’m actually smiling as I respond. I left the GOP. I joined the LP as a “Lifetime member.” Ron Paul is NOT running as a Libertarian- he’s running as a Republican! He’s the real Republican, not me. Yet many Libertarians are supporting him. I’m perplexed. You have to maintain consistency. You can’t criticize me for being “too Republican” because I used to be one. Then support a guy who is a Republican right now! [snip]
The Republican Party left me (and millions of others). I have no doubt that Barry Goldwater would today be a Libertarian. Yet Ron Paul chose to stay in the GOP- where his anti-war ideas will never be accepted. That’s why he stands at 1% to 3% in the polls. He’s in the wrong party, in the wrong place, at the wrong time.

On running as Paul’s VP candidate (it should be noted that Paul is very unlikely to run for the LP nomination):

I’d be willing to step aside and run as Vice President in a Ron Paul/Wayne Root LP ticket. I think that ticket would be highly competitive in the 2008 election. All the factors are in place for a third party PERFECT STORM.

Root on flat taxes, the FAIR Tax and related issues:

First of all, I support ANYTHING that cuts income taxes and reduces the tax burden on American taxpayers- rich, poor and everyone in-between. My preference would be for a flat income tax, but I would ENTHUSIASTICALLY support a “Fair Tax” if it was up for a vote. I also support the elimination of “death taxes,” as well as the elimination of taxes on capital gains, interest, and dividends. I support dramatic cuts in government spending and entitlements to make massive tax cuts possible.

Root on party registration:

I am a registered Libertarian. I have been for months now. Perhaps whoever asked this question was relying on old information that has since been updated. I assume you based the question on a very positive article written about my candidacy in the Las Vegas newspaper from a few months ago.

Root compared his place in the LP race to Fred Thompson’s place in the GOP race. He also mentioned being a speaker at “prestigious conservative political leadership conference.” I’m curious about this, as CPAC is over for the year. Here’s Root on Root:

Interestingly, I haven’t even officially filed for a Presidential run yet. I am “the Fred Thompson of LP politics.” Fred is not an official Presidential candidate yet and he’s already a close 2nd in the GOP Presidential polls. I am not an official candidate either…yet in Stephen Gordon’s recent in-depth national LP poll (at GordonUnleashed.com)…I was the leading vote-getter for the LP Presidential nomination. I was also just invited to speak as a Presidential candidate at the most prestigious conservative political leadership conference of the year-with political activists from across the country in attendance.

On spending personal money on his race:

I never said that I wouldn’t be spending any of my own money. Once again, rumors run wild on the Internet. I did say on one Internet radio interview that I would not commit to any certain amount of my own money. I have no idea what amount of my own money will be necessary. But once I file, announce and commit 100% to this race, I am willing to spend some of my own money.

On the possibility of family interference with his campaign:

Well, first that is a big concern for me too. Actually not the issue of traveling with a newborn- because I won’t be doing that very much. I’ll be traveling alone. Remember I have 3 young children, plus the new baby Root on the way. My wife Debra is CEO of the Household, and should be awarded “American Mom of the Year.” So that won’t change- Debra will (for the most part) stay home with the kids.

On Eric Dondero:

First of all, I have zero control…and usually no idea what Eric or any other fan of mine is saying about me at various web sites or blogs. I’m too busy running my businesses, my political campaign, media interviews, and my family to worry what every supporter of mine is saying on the web. I’m no more responsible for what others say about me, than Ron Paul is responsible for what his supporters might be saying about him. Actually the most recent post by Eric Dondero should finally put any controversy to rest- I read that Eric has asked me to NOT run as Libertarian Presidential candidate. That’s right- he wants me to drop out of the race. He feels that I am such a talented candidate that I could attract several million votes and thereby cost Republicans Rudy Guliani or Fred Thompson the election.

On foreign policy, specifically in the Middle East:

First of all, the single most important thing we can do to win the “War on Terror” has nothing to do with war or violence. It has to do with oil and energy independence. We must wean ourselves off of oil sold by Arab nations that then turnaround and fund radical Islamic terrorism. If we cut off the funds for oil, those that fund terrorist activities will quickly run out of money. [snip]

Would I wage the war the same way that George W. Bush has? Of course not. I would not take away American’s freedoms under the guise of keeping us safe. What’s the point of fighting the war in Iraq, if we’re losing our rights and freedoms back home? I would not allow warrantless wiretaps. I would not spy on American citizens. I would undo many aspects of the Patriot Act. The “War on Terror” is not an excuse to ignore or violate the constitution. So rest assured that I am a Libertarian.

However where I disagree with some Libertarians is how we should approach the “War on Terror.” It is a real threat to our national security. Ask the British- who almost had 3 horrific terror attacks in one day. It is incredibly naive to think our vicious enemies- Islamic extremists- will ever leave us alone. They murder their OWN people for minor offenses. They treat women like slaves. They refuse to allow young girls to attend school. They riot, burn, loot and murder over a CARTOON. They stone women to death for “the sin” of being raped. Yet you think we can “play nice” with them and they’ll leave us alone?

Did Adolph Hitler leave us alone? Did Chamberlain’s “peace in our time” philosophy make friends with Hitler? No, he laughed at the naivete and weakness of the West. He took advantage of weakness- and attacked aggressively. Islamic terrorists believe that anyone that does not submit to Islam or Allah is an infidel…and must be converted or killed.

Root’s formula for success:

I am the only Libertarian Presidential candidate that is fiscally conservative, socially tolerant, and strong on the issues of national defense and the war on terror. A radical 100% pure Libertarian cannot get elected. Actually past history proves that a 100% pure libertarian cannot even surpass 300,000 votes in a Presidential election- where winning requires more than 50 million votes.

Let’s talk turkey. I’m a businessman and a self-made millionaire. I did NOT achieve success by getting everything 100% “my way.” To the contrary, success is all about moderation and compromise. I’d rather win with 80%, than get things 100% my way and lose. Because 100% of nothing is nothing.

The same is true in politics. Ron Paul has 1% of the vote. That doesn’t help the LP cause. Only winning helps the Libertarian cause. You have to elect Libertarian candidates in order to make a difference. Radical Libertarianism will not get anyone elected. You will need to support a moderate mainstream Libertarian candidate who can get the support of a majority of American voters. That is Wayne Allyn Root. You’ll have to compromise a bit. I’m with the LP on 90% (or more) of the issues. That’s as good as it gets with an electable Libertarian politician.

Again, these are just highlights. The entire interview is available here.

37 Responses to “Michelle Shinghal Interviews Wayne Allyn Root”

  1. Eric Dondero Says:

    Good interview. Yup, that’s Wayne to the core. He tells it like it is. He even seemed a bit fiesty.

    I remain convinced that he would be the best Libertarian Presidential candidate ever, even surpassing Ed Clark in 1980. This is why Wayne would be the worse LP candidate ever.

    We finally have the opportunity to elect a libertarian-leaning Republican. Either Rudy Giuliani, whom the Wall Street Journal and other major media outlets has dubbed a “libertarian” due to his Tax Cuts, Privatization, opposition to Socialized Health Care agenda, or Fred Thompson, who ran as a libertarian Republican for US Senate in 1994, and was backed heavily by the Republican Liberty Caucus.

    Wayne getting 2 to 3 million votes, in an election that may be tight, does not help us to achieve our short term goals. It may help in the long run - greater visibility for the libertarian movement, especially the Libertarian Party, more people turned on to libertarian beliefs, ect…

    But in the short term it could very well mean at least 4 years of Hillary Clinton as President. Can we afford that? Can we afford the entire Health Care industry being nationalized?

    Think about that for a second. The price of a successful Libertarian Party campaign for President for 2008, ala Wayne Allyn Root (or even Ed Thompson), would be 4 years of Cowhips Hillary and guaranteed Socialized Medicine for the United States.

    That’s a very steep price to pay.

    Nope. Better for the Libertarian Party to run a mediocre candidate like Steve Kubby or George Phillies for 2008, and NOT Wayne Root. Steve Phillies or George Kubby (they’re largely interchangeable), would garner the typical 300,000 vote for the LP. Not nearly enough to register even a blip on the radar screen.

    A vote for Kuby or Phillies is essentially a vote for Rudy Giuliani or Fred Thompson for President.

    As crazy as it sounds, a vote for Wayne Root (or Ed Thompson), is essentially a vote for Hillary Clinton. (No offense to Wayne, cause he really is a great guy and a commited Libertarian.)

  2. Carl Says:

    There is some serious underestimation of Ron Paul going on. Yes, his polling among typical primary voters is very low. However, he has a growing base outside this demographic. Hippies, peaceniks and others are going from inactive to Republican to support Paul. In my local meetup, only 10-20% of the attendees were Republicans before Paul, and about a third or less were Libertarians.

    http://www.ashevilledailyplanet.com/content/view/1323/7/

  3. Trent Hill Says:

    Dondero,

    You’re a magnaminous fool.

  4. [email protected] Says:

    Dondero is so sure of WAR’s appeal … that he turned down my offer of a bet. The bet was:

    If WAR gets the nomination, and if WAR then polls more than 250,000 votes, I’ll buy Dondero a steak dinner. If WAR gets the nomination and polls more than 250,000, Dondero buys me one. If WAR doesn’t get the nomination, bet off.

    When there’s nothing on the line, Dondero says “3-4 million votes for Root.” But he won’t put his money where his mouth is that WAR could get 250,001 votes. That should clue everyone in to his true belief.

  5. [email protected] Says:

    Correction: Dondero would owe me the steak dinner if WAR got the nomination and polled LESS than 250,000 votes.

    Eric and I are tied right now—I bought him a steak dinner when Badnarik didn’t break 600,000; he’ll be buying me a steak dinner because he made a truly foolish bet against Claire McCaskill OR Jon Tester OR Jim Webb going to the Senate (all three of them did).

  6. Andy Says:

    “We finally have the opportunity to elect a libertarian-leaning Republican. Either Rudy Giuliani, whom the Wall Street Journal and other major media outlets has dubbed a ‘libertarian’ due to his Tax Cuts, Privatization, opposition to Socialized Health Care agenda, or Fred Thompson, who ran as a libertarian Republican for US Senate in 1994, and was backed heavily by the Republican Liberty Caucus.”

    I’ve been waiting for Eric Dondero to resurface and continue to proclaim Rudy Giuliani a “libertarian” again. I say this because I found a guy on-line who is an expert on Rudy Giuliani and has posted a bunch of clips on YouTube exposing what a fraud he is.

    Eric is touting Rudy is a “libertarian” but most of us already know how Rudy is horrible on free speech, gun rights, and other civil liberties. What some people don’t know is that Rudy is NOT good on economic issues either. Here is just one example of how Rudy Giuliani INCREASED taxes in New York City.

    Rudy Giuliani’s Tax Scandal
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HXlRIN7DILc

  7. Andy Says:

    Rudy Giuliani’s B.I.D.s Scandal
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3X3gnYBre8

  8. Andy Says:

    Libertarians support a free market, but a free market does NOT include the government subsidizing sports stadiums. However, Rudy Giuliani is in favor of government subsidizing sports stadiums, which is more proof that Rudy Giuliani is NOT a libertarian by any stretch of the imagnination.

    Rudy Giuliani’s Stadium Scandal
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU8XTAbr8BI

  9. Andy Says:

    The facts clearly indicate that Giuliani did NOT reduce government or waste, he simply played a shell game. Giuliani’s “privitization” was not really privitization, it was public-private partnerships that handed out lucrative tax payer funded contracts to his cronies. Giuliani is one of the most corrupt big government politicians that there is.

    Giuliani’s Big Government Lie #50
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Syc2Y2fg2Rw

  10. Andy Says:

    Rudy got the largest power plant in New York City shut down so some realestate developers could put luxury condos there. This power plant just happened to be near the United Nations. After this plant was shut down it caused black outs in the city. Rudy’s response was to push for a new power plant to be built which would conveintly be located in a poor neighborhood.

    Rudy Giuliani’s Power Plant Scandal
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsjtEH0daKg

  11. Andy Says:

    Rudy Giuliani actually had the audacity to attempt to use the money that was raised for the families of the victims of 9/11 to enrich his cronies.

    Another Giuliani 9/11 Scandal
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ic0_J55WzVw

  12. matt Says:

    Rudy inhales money and exhales scandal, Andy.

    Your efforts so far are nice, but you’d need a full-time Guliani Scandal Filing system to keep track fully.

  13. Andy Says:

    Rudy Giuliani had the nerve to stick New York City tax payers with the bill for Madison Square Garden’s electricity. He also lied about crime statistics. Click the link and check it out.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTuQhnSko6g

  14. Andy Says:

    Rudy Giuliani used tax payers money to put up banners advertising night clubs that were run by his former Mistress, and those banners were hung from city owned light posts.

    Rudy Giuliani’s Banner Scandal
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXOb_NTSfR4

  15. Andy Says:

    During Rudy Giuliani’s reign as Mayor the New York City police framed an innocent homeless black man named Bentley Grant on charges of assulting two women with a brick. After it came out that Bentley Grant was innocent and that the police had faked his confession Rudy Giuliani did NOTHING to punish the police who were involved in this miscarriage of justice.

    Rudy Giuliani’s Bentley Grant Scandal part 1
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZvrLvYphAk&mode=related&search=

    Rudy Giuliani’s Bently Grant Scandal part 2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrG6AUWDfXU&mode=related&search=

  16. Jay Matthews Says:

    And also we shouldn’t forget traitor Rudy is a CFR member and his law firm represents Cintra, one of the key outfits behind the Nafta superhighway.

    Of course Dondero would like us to forget all this stuff. He’s has become so brainwashed he’d have us believe Rudy is a libertarian.

    If “libertarian” now equals “corrupt, eminent-domain supporting globalist” he’s right.

  17. Eric Dondero Says:

    Hey Jay, Andy, how do you explain the Wall Street Journal calling Rudy a “libertarian” in a major column a few weeks ago?

    How do you explain the Washington Post having a headline story: “Giuliani’s Libertarian Health Care Reform,” last month?

    How do you explain Rudy attracting libertarian supporters to his campaign like Steve Forbes (who campaigned for Ron Paul in 1996), David Dreier, Bill Simon, Sally Pipes (Pacific Research Inst.), and MI State Rep. Jack Brandenberg (Leon Drolet’s close friend)?

    How do you explain this choice quote from the NY Times from 1999:

    “Rudy Giuliani is not even a real Republican… He’s a privatizing, extremist government cutting Ayn Randian”?

  18. Eric Dondero Says:

    Tom, I will not take your bet, cause it would be like rooting against my own interests. As I said, I do not want Wayne to win the nomination.

    And for the record, I owe you a steak dinner cause of Webb and McCaskill, not because of Tester.

    I did win the Corker part of the bet for Tennessee. You were saying Corker would lose. I was saying he’d win. He won.

    But still, you won 2 out of 3.

    (I may be heading through St. Louis up to Chicago in a few weeks. If so, I’ll make it a point to stop by for the dinner I owe you.)

  19. Andy Says:

    “Eric Dondero Says:

    August 9th, 2007 at 8:39 am
    Hey Jay, Andy, how do you explain the Wall Street Journal calling Rudy a ‘libertarian’ in a major column a few weeks ago?”

    They either lied or they are ignorant. I have proven beyond a reasonable doubt that Rudy Giuliani is NOT even remotely libertarain.

    The reason that some in the business community like Rudy Giuliani is NOT because Rudy is a proponent of free market capitalism, but rather because Rudy is an economic fascist who is willing to take pay offs and hand out favors (ie-bribes).

    I challenge you to dispute any of the facts about Rudy Giuliani that I posted above.

  20. [email protected] Says:

    Andy,

    You’re missing an additional possibility—actually a high probability—beyond “the Wall Street Journal lied” and “the Wall Street Journal is ignorant.”

    The center-right is in the process of attempting to co-opt certain aspects of libertarianism.

    First, the word, because it has gained increasing cachet over the past few decades. Although the Libertarian Party has had little success, the word “libertarian” itself has been used by numerous public figures as a sort of menu choice to describe certain of their issues positions (as opposed to their overall philosophy). I even once heard that Bill Clinton replied “oh, I’m a libertarian on that” in response to some interview question.

    Beyond co-opting the word, some center-right and center-left politicians actually coopt some libertarian policy proposals and attempt to graft those proposals onto their otherwise statist programs … because libertarian policy proposals WORK. They work better in an overall environment of freedom, but even without that environment they are oases of success in the sea of failure.

    And, finally, “mainstream” political and media leaders understand that libertarianism represents a real threat to their power … and one of the best ways to forestall such a threat is to steal its name and stick that name on something else.

    The Wall Street Journal represents America’s financial—and political—elites on the (center) “right.” Those elites want the name “libertarian” for themselves, so the WSJ gives it to them.

    The New York Times represents America’s financial—and political—elites on the (center) “left.” Those elites want “libertarianism” to be a fearsom monster that nobody would want to associate with, so they stick it on the ugliest candidates they can find.

    To put a finer point on it, putting Giuliani in drag as a “libertarian” serves the goals of both (center) right statists and (center) left statists … so they both engage in the practice. The (center) right wants libertarian support, but is unwilling to support actual libertarians, so it has to slap some pancake makeup and a wig on someone like Giuliani and hope nobody notices. The (center) left wants to discredit libertarianism, so it points a finger at the worst statist creep to its near right that it can find—in this case, Giuliani—and screeches “libertarian!”

    Tom Knapp

  21. Carl Says:

    Eric: Steve Forbes has some libertarian tendencies, but he is also way to the Right on the equality-aristocracy axis. Ron Paul is a tad to the Left (as are John Birchers). Candidates that far to the upper-right can raise money but not many votes. Note how Forbes’ campaign tanked.

    Forbes is also a Tory like Bush. Read the editorials in his magazine. The U.S. should be the continuation of the British Empire. Paul Johnson wrote an editorial in Forbes a few years ago suggesting that England become several states of the U.S. (That’s all we need: several populous states filled with people used to socialized medicine, gun control and continuous surveillance. Bleah!)

  22. Jay Matthews Says:

    Eric, until you show to be something other than the gutless lemming you proved to me you are when we discussed Chuck Hagel and how the GOP supported Ron Paul’s opponent in ‘96 you are in no position to be posing questions.

    Eric will continue to throw out other people’s opinions on Giuliani as opposed to the facts presented by others.

  23. Eric Dondero Says:

    Thanks Tom, for backing me up. That was the strongest endorsement of my views that I’ve ever seen coming from you.

    If what you say is correct, than we’ve essentially won. We libertarians have prevailed. Others, particularly Republicans like Giuliani are “co-opting libertarianism.”

    Alas, that has been the goal for decades.

    Makes me a very, very happy camper indeed.

  24. Andy Says:

    “Eric Dondero Says:

    August 9th, 2007 at 7:51 pm
    Thanks Tom, for backing me up. That was the strongest endorsement of my views that I’ve ever seen coming from you.

    If what you say is correct, than we’ve essentially won. We libertarians have prevailed. Others, particularly Republicans like Giuliani are ‘co-opting libertarianism.’

    Alas, that has been the goal for decades.

    Makes me a very, very happy camper indeed.”

    They may be co-opting the WORD libertarian but they are clearly NOT co-opting libertarian philosophy or libertarian polices.

    The word libertarian is essentially meaningless unless it is backed up by libertarian philosophy and policies.

    If you truly want libertarian reform, this is nothing to get excited over. Unless of course you’re real intention is to sell people on the idea of fascism with a “libertarian” label stuck on it so that a lot of people will swallow it more easily, like how the socialist hijacked the term liberal in the early half of the last century in order to get their agenda enacted.

    By the way, I CHALLENGE you or anyone else to go through all of the facts that I’ve posted that indicate that Rudy Giuliani is not even remotely libertarian and refute these facts point by point.

  25. miche Says:

    I couldn’t agree with you more, Andy. Eric and I are having a disagreement elsewhere and I said the same.

  26. go go gadget dick Says:

    “And, finally, “mainstream” political and media leaders understand that libertarianism represents a real threat to their power … and one of the best ways to forestall such a threat is to steal its name and stick that name on something else.”

    Yep, Tom, I think that’s exactly what Andy was saying.

    And thanks to Eric for admitting that has been his goal for decades.

    I wonder whether his whole entire career as a LP/movement infiltrator has been a paid up psyops operation from the start, or if he is really that perfectly brainwashed?

  27. Andy Says:

    “I wonder whether his whole entire career as a LP/movement infiltrator has been a paid up psyops operation from the start, or if he is really that perfectly brainwashed?”

    I wonder the same thing.

  28. Dave T. Says:

    “Eric, until you show to be something other than the gutless lemming you proved to me you are when we discussed Chuck Hagel and how the GOP supported Ron Paul’s opponent in ‘96 you are in no position to be posing questions.”

    Jay, what exactly are you talking about?

  29. Jay Matthews Says:

    Dave,

    If you go to page 4 to the entry “LP: Don’t Vote in the GOP Primary” you’ll see the exchange between Dondero and myself regarding Ron Paul and the GOP debates. He claims RP isn’t showing party loyalty and therefore the GOP is in the right if they were to exclude him. By not showing party loyalty he’s referring to RP wanting to remove our military from Iraq.

    I then posed this question to him: Chuck Hagel also isn’t showing “party loyalty” if he were to get in the race do you think he should be excluded as well?

    I gave him three opportunities to answer. He didn’t. You can go back and check out the exchange for yourself.

  30. [email protected] Says:

    Jay,

    I have to disagree with you that Mr. Dondero is a “gutless lemming.”

    Call him misguided if you like. Hell, call him stupid or even evil!

    But gutless?

    Walking into a room—real or virtual—full of libertarians, and trying to convince them that Rudy Giuliani and Joe Lieberman are libertarians is hardly timid. Matter of fact, to my mind it requires balls big enough that you’d have to trundle them around in a wheelbarrow.

  31. Eric Dondero Says:

    Sorry Tom.

    It’s not that Lieberman and Giuliani are “libertarian” per se. I’d put Giuliani right on the edge, teeter-tottering between the Centrist and Libertarian Quadrants of the WSPQ right there with Arnold, David Dreier, Gov. Charlie Crist and other such “Centrist Libertarian” Republicans.

    No, what people like me are arguing, is that these guys are Centrists (or Conservatives) worthy of libertarian support.

    We are never going to get the full loaf. Not in our lifetimes, Tom.

    I’d be more than happy to live in a 60/60 society. 70/70 would be a lot better. (I’d imagine the entire United States like a mixture of Alaska and Las Vegas at 70/70, with no Seat Belt Laws of NH thrown in.)

    Right now we’re at 55/50, my estimate.

    With Giuliani we have a chance of moving up to 60/60. I’m all for that. And coincidentally, 60/60 is exactly where he is at on the ontheissue.org site.

    With Hillary we will drop down to near 40/40 levels. And if she is reelected by some chance in 2012, we could go as low as 30/30, not quite Hitlerian, but certainly Mussolini/Gorbachevian Soviet Union style authoritarianism.

    You choose.

  32. Jay Matthews Says:

    Tom,

    I think making the statements and dodging the questions and facts as he does takes little guts when done on the internet. There’s no face-to-face factor. Imagine a televised press conference where he is presented with the same questions and scandalous facts about Giuliani. His ignoring such unpleasants issues and then trying to convince the public he has libertarian appeal would be laughed at. He’s in effect repeatedly saying “no comment” which is gutless. But I suppose that’s all he can say as the truth behind Rudy isn’t pretty.

    While some here may have a lot of venom for Eric, I don’t. I feel sorry for him to a small degree.

    But in the meantime I’m sure he’ll keep quoting one unqualified individual after another about the supposed libertarian ways of Rudy. That’s all he can do. Actions speak louder than words and Rudy’s actions are corrupt and un-American and there is no reason to believe civil liberties will not continue to erode if Giuliani were the President. Has Giuliani EVER spoken out against the Patriot Act, MCA, Real ID, etc.? And the fact he’s a CFR member also speaks volumes.

    Expect this next: “Take a look at this guys, the former editor of the Daily Worker says Rudy…..........”

  33. Andy Says:

    “With Giuliani we have a chance of moving up to 60/60. I’m all for that. And coincidentally, 60/60 is exactly where he is at on the ontheissue.org site.”

    I haven’t seen any evidence that Giuliani would do anything to increase or preserve freedom. All of the evidence that I’ve seen from Giuliani points to the very opposite.

  34. Andy Says:

    [email protected] Says:

    August 11th, 2007 at 8:16 am
    Jay,

    I have to disagree with you that Mr. Dondero is a “gutless lemming.”

    Call him misguided if you like. Hell, call him stupid or even evil!

    But gutless?

    Walking into a room—real or virtual—full of libertarians, and trying to convince them that Rudy Giuliani and Joe Lieberman are libertarians is hardly timid. Matter of fact, to my mind it requires balls big enough that you’d have to trundle them around in a wheelbarrow.”

    I’d say that it is fair to say that Dondero displays intellectual cowardice since there are numerous occassions where I’ve brought up facts that he is unwilling to debate, such as facts about Giuliani that I brought up on this thread that PROVE that Giuliani is far from being a libertarian.

  35. Eric Dondero Says:

    Andy, I’m on a lot of Forums, and my time is limited.

    If you’d like to discuss or debate some issues feel free to call me on my cell phone at 832-896-9505.

    I’m on Cricket, so I have unlimited minutes. No problem. (When I’m here at home in Houston.)

    Or you can call into my radio show “Libertarian Politics Live” at 646-915-9887.

    We’ve had Knapp on as a guest. We’d be honored to have you on, as well.

  36. Eric Dondero Says:

    Jay, you say anti-Patriot Act is Pro-Freedom. I don’t make that equation. I think the exact opposite.

    Anti-Patriot Act means Pro-Islamo-Fascism, and weak on Radical Islam which wants to destroy my personal liberties.

    So, Giuliani not speaking out to repeal the Patriot Act is a good thing!

  37. Eric Dondero Says:

    And Andy, I wonder about you and Paul Frankel receiving funding from George Soros and other leftwing America-hating extremist groups?

    It’s been proven that many liberal groups receive funding from him, and even some left libertarian groups like Rob Kampia’s MPP. So why not left-libertarian activists like you and the escaped convict Paul Frankel?

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