Janine Hansen: Independent American

Janine Hansen is a busy woman these days.

Janine Hansen speaking with Bay Buchanan

Besides commuting from her home in Elko to Carson City every weekend in the spring while serving as a lobbyist for the Nevada State Legislature, she also works as the Leader of the Nevada Eagle Forum, the Nevada Committee for Full Statehood, and as the Executive Director for the Nevada Independent American Party.
So Janine has a lot on her plate, especially being a part of the most politically active family in Nevada. This also includes representing Hansen & Hansen LLC- her family’s Las Vegas law firm.

Yet this is never too much work for Janine, especially when it comes to the various State Senate and Assembly Bills the Nevada State Legislature mulls and dissects every year.

Janine Hansen (seated on the right)

Included in this years Legislative list of bills and potential new laws that deal with….

* A new mandatory seat belt law currently being debated, which Janine and the IAP oppose.

*A bill dealing with people out of state who legally carry a concealed weapon. This bill is loosely related to a previous altercation with Janine’s brother Chris and the Les Vegas Police Dept.

*Another Pro-Gun bill dealing with Clark County.

*A bill prohibiting the confiscation of guns in case of a natural disaster or a serious catastrophe.

In addition, bills dealing with a statewide lottery, requiring proof for stock water rights, pharmacists refusing to provide contraceptives on moral grounds, illegal immigration, and a bill that would legally protect petitioners from threats and intimidation are never overlooked, however.

Janine Hansen (illegally arrested for petitioning)

Yes. At the end of the day, whether in victory or defeat, Janine Hansen never throws in the towel. Quitting is never a option for a Hansen near the end of his or her journey, even in the face of nearly impossible obstacles.

Janine tirelessly fights a continuing battle for our freedoms and against encroaching bureaucracy. Either running for the office of Secretary of State, or collecting signatures to protect the sanctity of marriage in Nevada; an Independent American’s work is never done.

The Proud Independent American

69 Responses to “Janine Hansen: Independent American”

  1. globalist_elitist Says:

    I hate Bay Buchanan.

  2. Cody Quirk Says:

    Hmmmmm, the first picture is a little too big.

    Hey Austin, do you think you can help me out with that?

  3. Cody Quirk Says:

    TS Jason.

  4. globalist_elitist Says:

    On a more substantive note: I applaud her for her pro-gun work.

    The seatbelt thing is a litle different.

    The fact is that enforcing seatbelt laws makes everyone’s car insurance cheaper. If you don’t wear a seatbelt, you are a fucking idiot. Fine. Die. I don’t care. But the problem is that if you wreck your car and seriously injure yourself, your car insurance has to pay for it. And if I’m paying premiums to your car insurance company, then I have to subsidize your stupid ass. I don’t want to do it.

    There are people being thrown into prison camps. I think I’ll accept the “tyranny” of mandatory seatbelt laws and the couple hundred bucks they save me each year.

  5. globalist_elitist Says:

    Cody - What is that “TS”? When I hover over it, I get a “?” icon. Weird.

  6. globalist_elitist Says:

    Also, let me get this straight: The CP believes that a private employer should be able to not hire someone because he/she is black, right? But they do not believe that a private employer should be able to fire a pharmacist for refusing to do his/her job?

  7. Cody Quirk Says:

    TS = Tough S**t

    And I do agree with you on the seatbelt laws. They save lives.

  8. globalist_elitist Says:

    I don’t care if they save lives. I care that they save me money. If you’re an idiot and want to drive without a seatbelt, I would have no problem letting you do it, I didn’t have to PAY for it.

    Banning trans fats would save more lives than mandatory seatelts. Do you agree with that too?

  9. globalist_elitist Says:

    I disagree with almost every word that comes out of Pat Buchanan’s mouth, but he is a likable fellow. Bay is just a beyatch.

  10. Cody Quirk Says:

    there’s a difference between those two situations.
    Employers should be able to choose who they want, while they can’t just fire someone simply because of their moral beliefs.

  11. Cody Quirk Says:

    Banning trans fats would save more lives than mandatory seatelts. Do you agree with that too?

    =Hmmmmmm, I’d leave the trans fats issue to the local communities and state governments to decide. Though I think such a ban might go too far.

  12. Trent Hill Says:

    Wait,why are you mentioning Bay Buchanan?

    Seatbelt laws=eh.

    Its a moot issue to me. The balance between saving money for everyone (as GE pointed out) and having that “liberty” to not where is. Seems like its a fair balance to me.

  13. Cody Quirk Says:

    Hey Trent, you got any pointers on how to fix the first pic?
    I need to shrink it a little.

  14. Andy Says:

    “globalist_elitist Says:

    May 11th, 2007 at 12:54 am
    I don’t care if they save lives. I care that they save me money. If you’re an idiot and want to drive without a seatbelt, I would have no problem letting you do it, I didn’t have to PAY for it.”

    I do not agree with seat belt laws. It is another form of nanny state harrassment. Same with helmet laws.

    As for you worrying about your insurance going up, I would add in a provision that if a person is not wearing a seat belt or a helmet that the insurance company doesn’t have to pay out, or at least doesn’t have to pay out as much, or that the people who chose not to wear seat belts or helmets have to pay higher rates or something like that. There are much better ways to dealing with this than running to government to play nanny state.

    “Banning trans fats would save more lives than mandatory seatelts. Do you agree with that too?”

    I don’t agree with this either. There are too many laws as it is.

  15. Daniel Says:

    “The fact is that enforcing seatbelt laws makes everyone’s car insurance cheaper. If you don’t wear a seatbelt, you are a fucking idiot. Fine. Die. I don’t care. But the problem is that if you wreck your car and seriously injure yourself, your car insurance has to pay for it. And if I’m paying premiums to your car insurance company, then I have to subsidize your stupid ass. I don’t want to do it.”

    That has an easy fix. Get a policy that doesn’t pay out if you weren’t wearing your seatbelt when you crashed.

  16. Andy Says:

    “=Hmmmmmm, I’d leave the trans fats issue to the local communities and state governments to decide. Though I think such a ban might go too far.”

    Why should ANY level of government be able to dictate what people can eat? It is none of their damn business!

    If one is going to call for laws like this, how about a law that says that everyone has to brush their teeth at night? Government inspectors could go around to everyone’s homes and conduct tooth brushing inspections. Violators could be held down and have their teeth brushed by force, and they could be fined and imprisoned for repeat infractions. Uh oh, I may have just given some of you people an idea for a new law!

  17. Andy Says:

    “That has an easy fix. Get a policy that doesn’t pay out if you weren’t wearing your seatbelt when you crashed.”

    This is a much better idea than the nanny state seat belt laws.

  18. Austin Cassidy Says:

    Got it. :)

  19. Cody Quirk Says:

    Thanks Austin

  20. Cody Quirk Says:

    Yeah I guess restaraunts shouldn’t be forced to ban trans-fats, I’m not sure of the matter, however. I haven’t studied it closely.

  21. Christopher Hansen Says:

    The problem with this seatbelt law is simple. It allows Cops to pull you over for no reason at all because all they have to say is, “I thought he was not wearing a seat belt.” and that is probable cause. It is already unlawful to drive without a seatbelt but it is a secondary offense so they cannot pull you over for it.

    Cops are nothing more than organized crime these days. The Blue Line is the Blue Mafia. Giving them more power is like giving alcohol and car keys to a 16 year old.

    I have seen Cops violate every constitutional right you could think of except murder and I have good solid testimony that that happens often.

    We are working to set up sting operations on Cops in Las Vegas. We will have cameras and mics in cars and go trolling for Cops. When they pull us over for no legal reason and hassle us we will make a private person’s arrest and then the fun and lawsuits begins. After all someone has to police the police. They sure don’t police themselves.

    I was seriously injured by Cops just a couple of months ago. What was my crime? My wife called them out to my house when a neighbor’s Pit Bull jumped my 6 ft. fence and attacked my dog and my wife.

    The Cops decided that they were going to be tough guys and pat me down because I had used a gun to hit, not shoot the dog. They grabbed my arms and shoved them together behind my back bulging a disk in my middle back and injuring my neck. I ended up in the hospital that night. When my wife complained they told her this was “the wild wild west and things were done differently out here.”

    They were criminals. The dog did less damage than the Cops. Next time I will shoot the dog and close the door. If the Cops come out I will not answer the door or tell them to get a warrant and call my lawyer. I will never call them for help again without a lawyer there to watch or at least a video camera and several witnesses.

    I would rather give a monkey a machine gun than to give a Cop more power.

    Do you know what I like about criminal Cops? Nothing.

    That is why I oppose this proposed Cop power grab called a seat belt law. What we need is more laws to allow grand juries to investigate Cop crimes.

    We need more armed citizens not more Cops.

    Get rid of Cops and arm the people and crime will drop to the lowest levels in decades. Cops are the criminals.

  22. Cody Quirk Says:

    Chris! You need to post on the TPW blogs more, we miss you!

  23. globalist_elitist Says:

    Andy - You misundestand. I’m against a trans-fat ban. I would be against seatbelt laws if they didn’t have the benefit of making my insurance premiums lower. As for a policy that doesn’t pay out if you’re not wearing a seatbelt: 1) It wouldn’t work in no-fault states; 2) Can it always be known whether or not a seatbelt was being worn? I can imagine insurers trying to deny claims by alleging that a seatbelt wasn’t being worn.

    Cody - Don’t people get to be responsible for their own lives, at all? A ban on skydiving would save lives. A ban on hunting would save lives.

    Chris - I agree that cops shouldn’t be able to pull you over for not wearing a seatbelt. But unless someone can tell me that it can be known with 100% accuracy whether or not an accident victim was wearing a seatbelt, I will stand by mandatory seatbelt laws as a necessary “evil.”

  24. globalist_elitist Says:

    Cody - Wait. So an employer should be legally allowed to deny someone a job because of his skin color. But he should not be able to fire someone FOR REFUSING TO DO HIS JOB? That is truly demented thinking. What if I’m a vet’s assistant and I don’t believe in spaying or neutering. I don’t belive in euthanizing. The vet shouldn’t be able to fire me? Maybe if I’m black, it would be okay.

    Trent - If that isn’t Bay Buchanan in the top photo, then it must be Pat in drag.

  25. Vincent Darrah Says:

    When I was in college I did extensive research on helmet laws for a term paper, and also seatbelt laws. The concept used to blackmail the states into passing them fits with what GE says. They call it the Public Burden Theory. When you are in an accident without a seatbelt the injuries are usually alot more severe. Insurance only pays a certain amount and you are stuck with the rest of the expenses.

    Most people cant afford to pay massive hospital bills so they end up getting written off on the taxes of the hospital, which means EVERY taxpayer pays that bill. Since the damage is far less when you wear a seatbelt and likely in most cases to be covered by your insurance policy because you dont have catastrophic injuries, the PUBLIC BURDEN is less.

    The Federal Government told the states that if they didnt pass Seatbelt laws they would lose their transportation funds they get from the Federal Government. Same as they do for Helmet laws

  26. SovereignMN Says:

    Here are my takes:

    1) Hate seatbealt laws. It’s none of the governments dang business. Regarding the insurance aspect I bet it would be pretty easy to determine if someone was wearing a seatbelt or not. If their head is in the windshield or eating the steering wheel, then it’s pretty obvious. Regardless, this belongs in the private sector. Let the insurance companies come up with a solution to the premium problem. They will.

    2) Ban on trans-fats. Stupid. It isn’t the governments role to ban this. Again, let the market sort this out. If trans-fat truely doesn’t impact taste then there will be enough incentive for someone to open a trans-fat free business. If there IS an impact on taste, whether it’s real or perception, then let the consumer debate the taste vs health issue for themselves.

    3) Regarding whether a pharmacy can fire an employee for refusing to prescribe abortion meds…I agree with GE, they employer is justified in firing the employee. That isn’t to say I agree with abortion but if you are going to be a pharmacist you need to abide by the job duties that your employer have given you. If you can’t, then find another pharmacy that either doesn’t dispense abortion meds or where the employer will let you off the hook.

    In MN we are dealing with similar cases of this. About 90% of the cab drivers at the MSP airport are Somali and they refuse to transport any passenger who is in possession of liquor or a dog. The airport commission that liscenses the cab drivers is mandating that the Somali’s abide by their rules and transport the consumers.

    Also, a Somali cashier at Target was refusing to scan pork products. So whenever a customer came through with pork she would have to call over a replacement to scan the ‘offending’ item. Target ended up transfering her to a clothing dept. IMHO they would have been perfectly justified in firing the individual. If you are hired as a cashier, then scan the pork.

  27. Gary Odom Says:

    It may have been mentioned in the article, and, if so, I missed it, but Janine is also one of the major players in Nevada who are actively opposing the very misnamed Patriot Act.

    I have know her for over 30 years and they just don’t come any better! She is a true American patriot.

  28. Trent Hill Says:

    “Hey Trent, you got any pointers on how to fix the first pic?
    I need to shrink it a little.”
    =No idea. Im not a picture guy.

    “Trent - If that isn’t Bay Buchanan in the top photo, then it must be Pat in drag.”
    =Don’t know much about her except that she is Pat’s sister, and works with Tancredo.

    “That is truly demented thinking. What if I’m a vet’s assistant and I don’t believe in spaying or neutering. I don’t belive in euthanizing. The vet shouldn’t be able to fire me?”
    =For the record, im of the opinion that a private employer should be able to fire someone for any and every reason. He should also be able to deny service to any and everyone (unless he works for a government institution, like a Veterans Hospital or something). Blacks, Christian, Hindus, Whites, Boys, Girls, Lizardmen, Clinton—it doesnt matter. It is a PRIVATE business.

  29. Trent Hill Says:

    Also:

    May 11, 2007

    Congressman Ron Paul now has the most YouTube subscribers among the Republican candidates for president. During the last 24 hours, Congressman Paul passed Mitt Romney to take the #1 spot.

    Paul: 1,961
    Romney: 1,889
    Giuliani: 1,276
    McCain: 1,184
    Hunter: 246
    Huckabee: 146
    Tancredo: 136
    Brownback: 65
    Gilmore: 26

  30. SovereignMN Says:

    Trent, you must be getting the same email update from Ron Paul HQ that I am. :-)

    Also, another off-topic side note about Paul. Check out his webtraffic on alexa.com. He passed Barack Obama for a couple days and is getting more web traffic than all other Republican candidates.

    Ok, back on topic.

  31. Kurtis Oliverson Says:

    Cody,

    Load the image into Paint (comes with Windows). In the Paint program’s menu, go to “Image”, then “Stretch/Skew…”, then type in percentages in the horizontal and vertical stretch boxes that are less than 100 and hit “OK”. Then, save the new image with a new name (or with the same name, if you don’t mind overwriting the original).

    For example, if you want the image 1/2 as wide and high as it is now, type in 50 and 50.

  32. Kurtis Oliverson Says:

    Vincent, you’ve demonstrated why the states accepting federal money is always a bad idea. If it doesn’t come with strings attached originally, the feds will eventually attach strings to it with threats like this.

    Funny how they often wait until the states are completely dependent on the money before they start manipulating them with it.

  33. SovereignMN Says:

    “Funny how they often wait until the states are completely dependent on the money before they start manipulating them with it.”

    Case in point. Feds give money to States for highway funds. States become dependent. Feds mandate that States lower drinking limit to .08. States that refuse will lose their federal funds. States cave in.

  34. Winston Smith Says:

    “globalist_elitist Says:

    May 11th, 2007 at 12:49 am
    Also, let me get this straight: The CP believes that a private employer should be able to not hire someone because he/she is black, right? But they do not believe that a private employer should be able to fire a pharmacist for refusing to do his/her job”

    GE/UA, nice of you to bring a a blatent low blow and typical hysteria-causing example. The CP does not find, anywhere in Constitution authority of the Govt to mandate work and its extension like hiring, etc. That is a hallmark of socialism and its cousin fascism.

    No guy that has sunk his hard earned money-or mortgage up the the hilt with GE’s banker idols-should be told by Father Govt who to hire or not. IT is called freedom of association. It keeps employers from having to hire those that would disagree with their business mission-ie, a Christian bookstore forced to hire a active homosexual. A gay organization forced to hire a street preacher that would hand out Jack Chick ‘Gay Blade” comics, etc, etc.

    The right to associate or not used to be a hallmark of what America was.

  35. Kurtis Oliverson Says:

    Chris,

    I agree with you that many cops are corrupt and act criminally (and get away with it, because people worship them like they’re super-human or something). However, wouldn’t you admit that not all cops are like that? Are you stereotyping others like you don’t like to be stereotyped yourself?

    I’d be willing to bet that Nevada’s police (perhaps due to the gambling-mafia presence there) are, on the average, more corrupt than the ones that we have here in big-sky country, though I know that not all police up here are angels either. I’m talking averages.

    I do like the idea of policing the police with camcorders and witnesses and getting that evidence into the courts, until people start taking it seriously. We have far too many police-produced videos about citizens on television. We need more citizen-produced videos about police on television.

    However, I think that you should find a way of doing it without sting operations. Those can lead the subject into committing crimes that he never would’ve committed otherwise. It’s tempting people to commit crimes, which is the devil’s job—not ours.

  36. Winston Smith Says:

    Cody Quirk Says:

    May 11th, 2007 at 1:02 am
    Banning trans fats would save more lives than mandatory seatelts. Do you agree with that too?

    =Hmmmmmm, I’d leave the trans fats issue to the local communities and state governments to decide. Though I think such a ban might go too far.

    No, wrong Cody-though trans fat is dangerous-it is not the GOvt’s job to outlaw oils, etc. They outlawed life-enhancing things already like vitamins and homeopathic treatments

  37. Farmer Says:

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  38. Guy Montag Says:

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4312930190281243507

    Farmer, found the video!!

  39. Guy Montag Says:

    “The Federal Government told the states that if they didnt pass Seatbelt laws they would lose their transportation funds they get from the Federal Government. Same as they do for Helmet laws”

    That is why the Constitution limits the Got to 17 things it can do, also why states should be more powerful-and have most of the $$. That way they passs their own laws and not have to come begging to Papa Big Favor Gvt. Decentralized Gvt!!

  40. Chris Campbell Says:

    As a former LEO, I am appled at Chris’ treament-but, I guess it is a post-9/11 world soe we are drummed into, rights and freedoms pale as there is a terrorist hiding under every rock, under every bed.

    I cheer Chris’ spy project!!

  41. globalist_elitist Says:

    SMN: “if you are going to be a pharmacist you need to abide by the job duties that your employer have given you.” - Thank you! Finally someone with some sense. As for the Somali, I say deport the dumb fucker. Let him go back to the mother land and eat rocks.

    If someone cannot do the job - be it based on their “morals” (i.e. idiocy), their gender, their disability, even their race (i.e. “I need a black actor to play Malcolm X”) then that’s totally legitimate. I don’t want to get into another CRA debate, but I find it a little suspicious that no one is calling Cody out for saying that it’s okay to fire/not hire someone based on race, but NOT okay to fire/not hire someone because they refuse to do the job.

  42. globalist_elitist Says:

    Also, Vincent Darrah is right. It doesn’t even matter if insurers could determine if you were wearing a seatbelt or not. A hospital is never going to say, “Was he wearing a seatbelt? No? Then throw him in the street.” So ultimately, WE ARE ALL GOING TO PAY FOR MORONS WHO DO NOT WEAR SEATBELTS/HELMETS, so if you want to use the public roads, then you near to use/ wear one.

    People who are “outraged” by seatbelt laws = Morons who don’t understand how the economy works and and living in a fantasy world.

    People who don’t wear seatbelts/helments = Deserve to die.

    I support your right to be a moron and to die. But I do not support your right to siphon welfare off of me when your stupid ass runs up a tree.

  43. Andy Says:

    “Most people cant afford to pay massive hospital bills so they end up getting written off on the taxes of the hospital, which means EVERY taxpayer pays that bill. Since the damage is far less when you wear a seatbelt and likely in most cases to be covered by your insurance policy because you dont have catastrophic injuries, the PUBLIC BURDEN is less.”

    The tax payers shouldn’t have to pay for it either. That is called socialism.

    “The Federal Government told the states that if they didnt pass Seatbelt laws they would lose their transportation funds they get from the Federal Government. Same as they do for Helmet laws.”

    This is one way the federal government blackmails the states into complying with federal mandates.

  44. Andy Says:

    “globalist_elitist Says:

    May 11th, 2007 at 4:29 am
    Andy - You misundestand. I’m against a trans-fat ban. I would be against seatbelt laws if they didn’t have the benefit of making my insurance premiums lower. As for a policy that doesn’t pay out if you’re not wearing a seatbelt: 1) It wouldn’t work in no-fault states; 2) Can it always be known whether or not a seatbelt was being worn? I can imagine insurers trying to deny claims by alleging that a seatbelt wasn’t being worn.”

    This is something that should be left to the free market to decide. Government should stay out of it.

  45. Cody Quirk Says:

    Cody - Don’t people get to be responsible for their own lives, at all? A ban on skydiving would save lives. A ban on hunting would save lives.

    =Banning abortion in most cases would save lives.

    =Defending our Borders would save lives.
    (didn’t a few of the muslim terrorists that crossed the border illegally plotted to kill soldiers at Fort Dix? Hmmmmmm?)

    =Allowing people to carry concealed guns on college campuses would save lives.

  46. Cody Quirk Says:

    Bay supposedly is a co-founder of Pat’s organization, The American Cause. She also helped her brother with his presidential campaigns.

    Another reason why I like her too is because she’s LDS. (converted in the early 1980’s)

  47. globalist_elitist Says:

    In Andy’s fantasy world: The EMS finds a guy dying on the side of the road. He has shot through his windsheild when his car hit a tree.

    1. Does the EMS try to make him pay for their services before putting him in the ambulance?

    Let’s say the guy is white, so they assume he can pay. They take him to the hospital. The doctor asks if he was wearing his seatbelt, because if not, his insurance (assuming he has any) is not going to pay.

    2. What does the doctor do? Does he treat the guy? Yes or no?

    Let’s say that for whateve reason, the doctor does. Then come to find out, the guy wasn’t wearing his seatbelt. And he dies.

    WHO FOOTS THE BILL?

  48. Cody Quirk Says:

    Thanks Kurtis, however it’s fixed now. I’ll keep your advice in mind next time.

  49. RWR Says:

    “But they do not believe that a private employer should be able to fire a pharmacist for refusing to do his/her job?”

    Although you all are right that a pharmacy does have the right to fire one of their pharmacists for any reason, including refusal to dispense any particular prescription, you have to understand that a primary part of a pharmacist’s job is in fact to refuse to fill any prescription that he or she believes will cause harm to the patient.

    After all, if pharmacists just counted pills without exercising any form of judgment, we wouldn’t have to go to school for 6-8 years! If your pharmacy doesn’t allow their pharmacists to make judgment calls, perhaps it would be in your best interest to find a new pharmacy.

  50. Cody Quirk Says:

    No, wrong Cody-though trans fat is dangerous-it is not the GOvt’s job to outlaw oils, etc. They outlawed life-enhancing things already like vitamins and homeopathic treatments

    =Ok, I guess.

  51. Cody Quirk Says:

    I’d be willing to bet that Nevada’s police (perhaps due to the gambling-mafia presence there) are, on the average, more corrupt than the ones that we have here in big-sky country, though I know that not all police up here are angels either. I’m talking averages.

    =Maybe in Vegas and somewhat in Reno, but the rest of Nevada is a little more like Mayberry.

  52. Kurtis Oliverson Says:

    Cody: “rest of Nevada is a little more like Mayberry”

    Kewl! Maybe I’ll move to Nevada!. (But not Vegas—scarey!)

  53. globalist_elitist Says:

    Vegas/Henderson = Best city on planet.

    Rest of Nevada = Mississippi Burning

  54. globalist_elitist Says:

    And I don’t gamble… Which is why LV is the best.

  55. Andy Says:

    “globalist_elitist Says:

    May 11th, 2007 at 4:08 pm
    In Andy’s fantasy world: The EMS finds a guy dying on the side of the road. He has shot through his windsheild when his car hit a tree.

    1. Does the EMS try to make him pay for their services before putting him in the ambulance?

    Let’s say the guy is white, so they assume he can pay. They take him to the hospital. The doctor asks if he was wearing his seatbelt, because if not, his insurance (assuming he has any) is not going to pay.”

    Nobody is under any obligation to pay for anyone’s medical care. If somebody WANTS to pay for it, it should be done by charity, not coersion.

    Also, if it was left to the free market I think that a solution would be found. I don’t believe in running to government to solve every problem.

    “2. What does the doctor do? Does he treat the guy? Yes or no?

    Let’s say that for whateve reason, the doctor does. Then come to find out, the guy wasn’t wearing his seatbelt. And he dies.”

    This is up to the doctor.

    “WHO FOOTS THE BILL?”

    Just as long as it is not the tax payers, who cares? We should get away from this notion that taxes are supposed to pay for healthcare.

    Something else to consider is that if it weren’t for all of the BS that our government gets involved in, people would have a lot more money of their own to spend on things like healthcare as well as private charity.

    Yet another thing to consider is that there are instances where people are injured or even killed because they were wearing a seat belt. Now I’m personally of the belief that the odds are that you are better off wearing one, so I always wear a seat belt and I actually wore them before these seat belts laws went into effect. But I still don’t like these laws as I think that they are intrusive and nanny state in nature.

    As Chris Hansen said above, seat belt laws are nothing more than an excuse for the cops to pull people over and give them tickets. Once the cops pull people over they try to find other things for which they can get people. This is just another excuse for the state to extort money from the public.

  56. globalist_elitist Says:

    Andy:

    1. I’m an EMS driver. I see a guy dying on the side of the road. Does he need to pay me before I pick him up? Answer the question. Don’t say “the free market will figure it out.”

    2. So do I treat him or not? What if he can’t/ won’t pay? What do I do? What if he has no assets? What if he dies? What if his heirs are insolvent? Do you know how many uninsureds meet at least one of the above criteria? Virtually all of them. So I, the doctor, don’t get paid, and then I have to charge more to people with insurance/means in order to make up for it. SOCIETY STILL FOOTS THE BILL.

    You’re living in a fantasy world. When you want to join me in reality, I will welcome you.

  57. Cody Quirk Says:

    Kewl! Maybe I’ll move to Nevada!. (But not Vegas—scarey!)

    =Go for it!
    I’ll be job hunting around Carson City and Minden in two weeks.

  58. Cody Quirk Says:

    GE, there’s almost no racists in northern Nevada. I’ve been there plenty of times so I know.

    However there is a growing presence of skinheads and white supremacists in southern Nevada and Vegas.

    Sorry to bust your bubble.

    In Northern Nevada, all you have is the JDL and some jerk in Fallon.

  59. globalist_elitist Says:

    Where is the White People’s Party based?

  60. Andy Says:

    “globalist_elitist Says:

    May 12th, 2007 at 12:29 am
    Andy:

    1. I’m an EMS driver. I see a guy dying on the side of the road. Does he need to pay me before I pick him up? Answer the question. Don’t say ‘the free market will figure it out.’”

    If we had a real free market, the free market would indeed figure it out. Start cutting taxes and all of the other government BS and more people could afford healthcare and insurance and there would be more money going to private charities.

    “2. So do I treat him or not? What if he can’t/ won’t pay? What do I do? What if he has no assets? What if he dies? What if his heirs are insolvent? Do you know how many uninsureds meet at least one of the above criteria? Virtually all of them. So I, the doctor, don’t get paid, and then I have to charge more to people with insurance/means in order to make up for it. SOCIETY STILL FOOTS THE BILL.”

    It is not up to me whether you treat somebody or not. The market would take of this.

    “You’re living in a fantasy world. When you want to join me in reality, I will welcome you.”

    You are living in a fantasy world if you believe that a bunch of nanny state laws are needed in order to solve problems.

    All seat belt laws and helmet laws do is give cops another excuse to pull people over, harrass them, and fine them.

  61. globalist_elitist Says:

    “All seat belt laws and helmet laws do is give cops another excuse to pull people over, harrass them, and fine them.”

    That’s a red herring. At one time, cops could not pull you over in Michigan for not wearing a seat belt. Now, not only can they do that, they can even stop people randomly to SEE if they’re wearing a seatbelt! That’s an outrage! We agree. But so long as the law is “if you’re pulled over for another reason, you can be given an added citation for not wearing a seatbelt” then I’m fine with it. And as for helmets? I have no problem with you being stopped for not wearing a helmet. You are posing a danger to my financial security by being such a dumb ass. And unlike not wearing a seatbelt, which cannot be really seen without stopping someone, it is easy to tell you are not wearing a helmet (unless you have newscaster hair), AND, unlike seatbelts, you can’t have your motorcycle “searched” the same way as your car.

    “The market will solve the problem” doesn’t cut the mustard when a very simple problem like this is presented and you can’t find the solution.

    THERE IS NO WAY that th “market” can solve the problem of whether or not a doctor should treat a dying patient until he finds out of the dying patient a) has insurance, and b) was wearing a seatbelt. The doctor is either going to treat or not treat. If he treats and the patient can’t pay, then the only thing “the market” can do is PASS THE COST ON TO ME AND YOU. If he doesn’t treat, the guy dies - even if they guy had insurance or could pay! You call that a solution?

    Andy wants to keep brown-skinned people from coming into the country in the name of existing welfare laws - EVEN THOUGH IMMIGRANTS BENEFIT THE ECONOMY. And yet he is not willing to support seatbelt/helmet laws, even given the current infrastructure, when abolishing them would cost everyone a shit load of money / cause innocent people to die. Hmmm…

  62. Cody Quirk Says:

    Where is the White People’s Party based?

    =Vegas.
    I’m serious, you can look at their website.

  63. SovereignMN Says:

    GE…you think the government should be able to tell you that it is mandatory to wear a seatbelt because failure to do so “costs you money”. To me making something lawful because of strictly monetary principles is a dangerous road to travel. Where do you draw the line?

    People dying of lung cancer cost you money. Do you want to ban tobacco? The obesity problem in America is costing you money. Do you want to ban trans-fat and snack foods? Having un-protected sexual encounters creates diseases, out of wedlock babies and abortions which cost you money. Do you want to ban all sex between non-healthy people?

    I don’t think you do.

  64. globalist_elitist Says:

    Smoking, eating, fucking - these are all freedom issues. Wearing a seatbelt is such a minor, frivolous thing. It isn’t comparable.

  65. Yosemite1967 Says:

    Don’t we have some kind of common-decency rules on these blogs, like against obscenity, etc.? I’m sick of having to cover the screen whenever one of my kids walks by while GE’s comments are visible on it.

  66. Trent Hill Says:

    No, we don’t. Personally, i’m glad we don’t. You have to hear the filthy liberal trash words that communists use when you goto an illegal immigrant rally, hearing it here is the same thing. Besides, it only weakens GE’s arguements. If he’d leave the hyperbole and cussing out, he’d look somewhat intellectual.

    GE,

    It is interesting to note that you have avoided Cody’s answer. LAS VEGAS is where the White People’s Party is based. Don’t forget that although the South has a history of racism, most new converts in “white supremacist” organizations are from the Northern States. In Michigan, the “Punk” gangs were created in the late 80’s to combat the Skinheads. Your arguement holds no water.

  67. SovereignMN Says:

    It may not be comparable to you but regardless, you are admitting that there is a line to be drawn.

  68. globalist_elitist Says:

    Trent - I actually posted a comment in response to Cody, but it didn’t post. Th spam filter is weird. All I said was, “I wasn’t being rhetorical.” I was legitimately asking the question. Thanks for the answer, Cody.

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