Cody’s Pro-Life Rebuttal: Part 2

Pro-life: The LDS church had no official policy on abortion (baby murder) until the mid ‘80’s. The first published policy I have seen is dated 1989. This policy allows for exceptions for “rape, incest, health of the mother… severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth.”

CQ: Here’s the full statement of the LDS Church’s policy on abortion:

“The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes in the sanctity of human life. Therefore, the Church opposes elective abortion for personal or social convenience, and counsels its members not to submit to, perform, encourage, pay for, or arrange for such abortions.
The Church allows for possible exceptions for its members when:

• Pregnancy results from rape or incest, or

• A competent physician determines that the life or health of the mother is in serious jeopardy, or

• A competent physician determines that the fetus has severe defects that will not allow the baby to survive beyond birth.

The Church teaches its members that even these rare exceptions do not justify abortion automatically. Abortion is a most serious matter and should be considered only after the persons involved have consulted with their local church leaders and feel through personal prayer that their decision is correct.
The Church has not favored or opposed legislative proposals or public demonstrations concerning abortion.”

CQ: Note that the Church only OK’s abortion under the most extreme of circumstances and after personal consultation and prayer on the matter.

We wrote letters to the LDS First Presidency (the prophet and his counselors) and told them their policy was fatally flawed.

CQ: “The Church teaches its members that even these rare exceptions do not justify abortion automatically.” Apparently you do not understand those words Marvin. Your stance is fatally flawed itself.

The church told us we could oppose the policy privately, but they would hold a church court if we continued to publicly criticize it.

CQ: The Question is, ‘how far’ did you go, Pro-Life? The Church isn’t anal about its members having a disagreement with the Church Leadership on a matter. Obviously there’s more to your story then meets the eye.

I told the church that we would sue them for harming our reputation if they held a church court. The church officials tried to keep us in the church.

CQ: Out of goodwill I’m sure. The LDS Church wouldn’t be afraid of such a lawsuit. And personally I take the Church’s side on this matter.

We later resigned. As I recall, it took about two years before we received our letters saying we were no longer LDS. Mormons live in fear of offending their church authorities.

CQ: I don’t! If I ever came across a Bishop or a Stake President that was acting against Church teachings or policy, I would see that that person gets removed from his position in the Church. If I’m not successful with convincing the local leadership of removing that person, then I would take it to a higher authority in the Church. This is a bogus accusation.

I refuse to be fearful so I get into trouble wherever I go. I am kind, compassionate and very un-compromising. The church refuses to discuss why they have this strange policy, and it makes almost all Mormons uncomfortable.

CQ: Not me. I personally favor exceptions, not because the Church says so. I don’t follow the flow in my Denomination. And again this is a bogus accusation.

Pro-Life: The LDS idea on the nature of God is different from Trinitarian Christians. Even before I was LDS the Trinity mystery made no sense to me. Mormons believe God is a polygamist.

CQ: Not necessarily, a lot of LDS believe we have one ‘Heavenly Mother’, basically a female counterpart to God Himself. But either belief, neither is official Church Doctrine.

Our family believes that polygamy is sick. We were created in God’s image and likeness. We believe in the pre-existence of Mankind. We believe Joseph Smith was a selfish leader and that he started the infallibility of the prophet to cover his polygamy (adultery).

CQ: There is no official proof that Joseph had adult relations with his polygamous wives. In fact many of his other wives wanted to be sealed to him in the Nauvoo Temple to simply be part of the Smith family in the afterlife.

This idea of infallibility of the prophet has caused the LDS people great harm.

CQ: I dunno, I don’t have any scrapes or bruises, neither am I traumatized or shell-shocked. Again we follow the Prophet, but not blindly. Oh yes- we don’t believe prophets are infallible! See here! What’s the matter with you Marvin?! Don’t you know anything about your former faith?

It is their greatest strength and also their greatest weakness. Polygamy, blacks not worthy of priesthood, and now, excusing baby murder creates a sad history for Mormons.

CQ: As sad as the persecution and suffering we’ve sustained throughout history, as sad as the prejudice and isolation we sometimes face because people don’t accept us. Even it’s sad when untrue and false lies are said about us.

My wife and I grieve that our families and friends cannot be honest about this.

CQ: I’m being honest, but Pro-Life cannot be honest about what the Church really believes.

Peer pressure rules every society. I could have avoided this question but thanks for asking. We believe that Jesus Christ the Son, God the Father, and the Holy Ghost are separate Gods, one in unity, purpose , and power. Why would there be a Father and Son without a Mother and Daughter?

CQ: At least we’re in agreement on one thing.

We visit many churches and we have many friends there. We have friends who are LDS. One example is my Lieutenant Governor running mate, William Wellisch, who is active LDS and received 3% of the vote. CP ‘damage control’ is not gong to tell you this. They want to get rid of people who challenge their ballot access and power agenda.

CQ: The CP didn’t try to kick out anybody! Michael Peroutka and his allies were the ones that wanted to remove people from the Party. Pro-Life was in favor of kicking out Nevada, so who were the ones what wanted to rid the CP of those that are a ‘obstacle’ to the not-so-hidden theocratic agenda in the Party?

We must save the Constitution before we can stop the baby murder, etc.

CQ: I thought you wanted to do that the other way around, Marvin?

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Pro-Life: Personhood begins at fertilization. Roe v. Wade, footnote 54 explains this. The Supreme Court said because Texas had an exception for life of the mother, it was admitting to lack of personhood in the child. I promised that as Governor of Idaho, I would declare personhood at fertilization and my first act as Governor will be to stop all baby murder in Idaho. Court rulings are not law. God’s law always trumps man’s rulings.

CQ: So you’re saying that you would outlaw ‘Life of the Mother’ exceptions? You would be willing to allow the mother to die, giving no chance to save herself. Even if the child couldn’t survive afterwards. That is a exception, still, right there Pro-Life. Because the exception is the mother’s life. You actually are willing to illogically disregard one life for the other, how Christian is that? Maybe you should change your name again.

Pro-Life: A great question, never heard it before. As I campaign, I will try to bring it up. We kill unborn babies and other innocents in our illegal and un-Godly wars. Our war employees carry emergency contraception pills, so they can commit adultery and fornication, and then commit ‘emergency murder’ if needed. We kill more babies every day with ‘emergency murder’ in the USA than the terrorists kill in ten years. If pro-life people were truly pro-life you would hear about “Emergency Contraception” (EC) at church and from ‘pro-life’ politicians. Our so-called pro-life leaders are responsible for this baby murder holocaust.

CQ: Pro-Lifers such as yourself that gives the cause a bad name and serves as a weight against overturning Roe v. Wade

The first thing we all can do is to stop using the word ‘abortion’ when we mean murder. If the United States was baby murder free, we could declare war on baby murder elsewhere.

CQ: Finally you answered my question, I must give you props for believing in something all the way, even into madness and insanity. Like Bush’s determination to ‘civilize’ Iraq, no matter the cost.
And your belief in military interventionalism goes against the CP Foreign Policy Plank in our Platform. Plus the US is already the Superpower of the world, beholden to foreign oil and imported goods. And you would continue that status quo.
It is not our responsibly for other nations problems. They will be judged, not by us, in the end.

Jesus said “whosoever shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.” Matt. 18:6 We need a millstone manufacturing industry in this country.

CQ: Did Jesus say it was our responsibility to judge like God?

Pro-Life: When you compromise on baby murder you will compromise on anything. I notice CP candidates talk about reforming public education. The AIP of California used to allow for socialized (communist) education on a state basis.

CQ: I think public Education is best left up to the states and local governments, not the federal. And if reformed and taken out of the hands of the federal government and the Teachers Unions, public education would not have the bureaucracy, political correctness, or the socialist aspects that presently comes with it.

I say that public education is religious education. The religion is Humanism/Atheism. Their biggest denomination is public education.

CQ: In a way, yes, but it depends on the area. Not all public schools are bad. I went to a High School in a conservative area, we said the pledge, word-by-word, even when it was in Court. Our Science teacher refused to teach Darwinism as a ‘proven’ theory and told us he disagreed with it himself. Sometimes the Christian clubs would pray under the school flag pole in front in the morning before classes started. And there was never any controversy about that. Maybe in the urban areas and on the Left coast, schools are exactly what Pro-Life describes, but not all are Hitler Youth indoctrination camps.

In short, we are being taxed to support a church - the Devils’ church.

Pro-Life: I do not compromise on my beliefs. I honor others who I may disagree with, if I am convinced they have a pure heart.

CQ: There are very few that have pure hearts in your mind, I take it then.

People with pure hearts do not differ on God’s basic moral law. They may differ on theology. If you are selfish you have a hard time understanding this.

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Pro-Life: I need help with a website. The best thing you can do to help me is run for the highest office you can handle. You do not need a party. I can give you advice. A candidate for Federal office cannot, by law, have his ads refused by the media. I plan to show pictures of murdered babies. There are only two attitudes or Spirits, the Spirit of Christ and the Spirit of Lucifer. If a government is not Christ’s, then His opponents control it.

CQ: Our government is supposed to be controlled by the People, though God’s blessing. Not establishing a 100% Biblical Theocracy that allows for stoning of adulterers. Not all things are absolute.

May we give up our selfish desires to amount to something in this, the devil’s world.
Our responsibility is to use politics to make people accountable for hearing the truth. There is actually more freedom to speak at the Devil’s church (political forums) than at so-called Christian churches.

CQ: It should be more then that, it should be to win and rip off the chains of tyranny around our Constitution and restore our Government back to being a Constitutional Republic, free of foreign influence. It is NOT for being ‘Principally Absolute’ and parading around in it doing nothing and accomplishing nothing; such a view serves the Establishment and the major parties themselves! And I guess you consider Third Party Watch the Devil’s Church, I’m sure Austin Cassidy would like that!

Go figure.

CQ: Exactly!

21 Responses to “Cody’s Pro-Life Rebuttal: Part 2”

  1. Timothy West Says:

    God’s law always trumps man’s rulings.

    taliban man, count me bananas, daylight come and me want to go home.

  2. Cody Quirk Says:

    Hahahaha! Point taken.

  3. will Says:

    austin you really shouldnt let this guy post on this website, its boring, crazy and turns this site from its direction of being a very nice site on third party news to a site that allows loons to post their narrow minded bullshit all over the site, i read this blog all the time, please rethink allowing this guy to post!

  4. Cody Quirk Says:

    It’s called Free-Speech, Will.

    What are you, a Fascist?
    You don’t hear me wanting to kick out Brad for his anti-LDS interview of Pro-Life.

  5. Austin Cassidy Says:

    Once in a while I do make posts that just contain my own opinion, usually it’s more political than policy though.

    Brad’s interview with Marvin Richardson was, in my opinion, some very good work. He was careful to ask questions and let Richardson (Pro-Life) answer them. I don’t agree with much of what Richardson said, but I think Brad handled the matter well regardless of whatever his personal beliefs are.

    Cody’s rebuttle is not how I’d have handled the issue if I disagreed with what someone who was interviewed had said… but as long as it’s marked clearly with the opinion tag, it’s not outside the lines.

    However, this blog is 95% focused on politics and I really do want to retain that focus. I would not want to see this site become a religious war zone.

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  7. Trent Hill Says:

    Paulie, the CP doesn’t advocate Theocracy,as we’ve been over about 1,000 times. As for “National Capitalism”, there is a difference. Now, stop for a moment and consider “What are our similarities?”

    Thats not to say I want you to consider the similiarities between YOU and the CP, but rather the LP and the CP.

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  9. Cody Quirk Says:

    Actually the AHP and their recent converts do advocate Theocracy. We simply advocate Constitutional Republicanism.

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